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Kasz216 on 27 May 2011
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vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:

Maybe it is arbitrary, but whose help did the Romans rely on? Same with the Ottomans.

The romans hired many foreign mercenaries on contracts.  Which is actually more intervention then just weapons.

As for the Ottomans... at just about every point in their history their best troops were foreign.

Whether it be the nomad Horsemen when they first started or their armies, which were largely hired foreign mercenaries.

Heck, the fact that foreign forces intervention was so high is what led to the somewhat unique case of Jannisaries and other slave armies.  It was the only way the Sultan could make sure his forces weren't dwarfed by the mercenaries help they aquired and eventually be overthrown by his own mercs.


None of those mercenaries represented anything sovereign. It's like saying that Switzerland is on the Pope's side because he was protected by Swiss mercenaries. Last I checked, Switzerland was fairly neutral.

As for ethnical cleansing I fully agree. I already agreed that there should have been provisions for the protectoin of the jewish population in whatever they had settled on.

Edit: To me foreign help is fairly well defined as a foreign army or resources (whether it is money or weapons, or other such help). I have wondered before whether Israel woudl have received mroe help, maybe even some army, had the west not been completely decimated by WW2.


Actually, a lot of the times they did represent soverign things, as you would hire mercenaries from rulers.  VS the czechs selling weapons to someon for a quick buck.

I mean... they weren't gifted those weapons.  They bought them.

The whole "state intervention" was nothing more then one country selling weapons to another... for profit.

Also, you shouldn't be blaming the west... but the east.  The Czechs were aloud to sell Israel the weapons because Stalin liked Israel... well then until Stalin decided he hated Israel and helped the other side even more in an attempt to crush Israel.

The british tried to sell out Israel almost as soon as they lifted immigration controls.

The US didn't help until Kennedy in the 60's.