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GhaudePhaede010 said:
kitler53 said:

i'm soo sick and tired of the wii fans whining all the time about 3rd party wii support.  the wii got tons of third party support.  but they did it in they way that third parties always to it ... they saw which software was being sucessful and tried to cash in on that sucess.

wii fit sold more than 20M  units and for that you got dozens of fitness games.

wii sports/wii play sold more than 20M each and for that you got dozens of mini game collections

smash bros sold over 10M and for that you about a dozen quality fighters

metroid barely cracked 1.5M  for that you got really nothing.

third parties chase sucess, that's just what they do.  they see a market and try to capture it.  nintendo showed the most sucessful markets on the wii were fitness and mini-games and that what third parties tried to cash in on.  HD consoles get almost nothing but shooters and that's third parties trying to cash in on the success of halo/CoD. 

third parties are not responible for creating markets .. that's the platform owners duty.  if you want to blame anyone about what kind of games you got on the wii blame nintendo for not trying to create that market on their system.

and while your at it consider this ... for all of the "casual" success nintendo had they haven't been able to recreate that since New Super Mario Wii a few years back in terms of software and the 3DS seems to be showing nintendo missed the mark entirely with that hardware.  this "causual" market isn't exactly an easy market to crack.  if nintendo can't cater to this market consitently why do you expect anyone else to be able to do that?

I see you post in topics like this all the time with your insane and ancedotal, half-assed statements. I pretty muc always ignore you because, well, I know that is your personality, but you made a statement about Smash Bros and then getting fighting games and that is just way over the line. With the success of Smash Bros, you would think games like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Blaz Blu, Guilty Gear, would show up in full force right? Right? What about a DOA game? What was that, nothing of the sort? Hell, the 3DS is got Super IV and DOA with I believe a Blaz Blu on the way... and those are all coming bacause that was an established market for the platform, right?

Unfortunately for you, there is not much fact within what you post. Developers put their money where they believe they can make money. The put these games on 3DS because they think they will sell well on the console, despite what the console sales themselves look like. The same thing with home console games. It is all about busniess. Point blank, Monster Hunter Tri came out on Wii exclusively because they thought it was the best BUSINESS decision, not because the market was proven on for the game. Nintendo have NEVER catered to the market you speak about, yet half of the video gaming generations (just like this one), will end up with Nintendo as the console sales leader. Third parties have better relationships and better funding from Sony and Microsoft, point blank. To say it is about market this or that when it is clearly not is just crazy. Nintendo never made a Mortal Kombat game, yet thee SNES got a bunch of those.

The problem is that people like us do not understand the business side of things. If Microsoft and Sony can create better business plans, advertisement, and deals for third party developers, then the developers are going to develop for their console. It is very simple really, but we do not know thee atmosphere. I mean, why else would Japanese developers want to develop for XBOX 360 when it will never make a sales dent in Japans home console market? Because business is probably better for them there. And that business is supplied by Microsoft themselves moreso than the consumer.

thing is i don't have really anything to disagree with you here.

the business side of things is all part of the game and something nintendo didn't play well.  sony made deals for batman AA, demon souls, heavy rain, assasins creed.  MS did it with mass effect, CoD dlc, timed exclusives in several places.  all of this was those platform owners paying up money (or ad spots or whatever) in order to cater to, advertise, and establish a certain type of market. 

nintendo was making billion profits and did nothing to cater to the "core" market.  they just sat around and thought somehow things would just be handed to them without effort on their part.  it didn't happen.  eventually they landed monster hunter tri and metroid other M and made it a focus of their line up and ad campain.  if nintendo wanted the "core" market that's exactly what they should have been doing the entire time ... creating that market.

i mean, it's not like you saw a flood of software that was expanded market friendly on the ps360 early on.  MS had to invest in kinect heavily in order to gain that support.  Sony half-assed it with move and got pretty much exactly what they deserve from that, nothing.

to your smash bros comment: wii got a bunch of fighters early on - bleach, tatsunoko vs capcom, several narutos, TMNT smash up and none of them came close to the sucess that SSBB had.  now if wii was easy to port to i'd bet my life SSF and MK would have been ported over.  but since that would have required a new game to be made from the ground up for the wii (ala star wars the force unleashed) the business of the situation isn't the same.