Lots of bashing for the belief of God....

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trestres said:

Everyone knows deep inside them what really is wrong and what is right. That's what differs us from animals, you cannot place a human being at the same level of an animal. Animals look for their wellbeing in every action, us humans can for example go through suffering to avoid a major harm. Animals behave like you said.

Germans had the option to avoid killing those "millions of jews" (people still believe what the media says?) and some did, but most of those who didn't and killed the jews, didn't do it out of fear, but because they had been deceived. Much like the masses were deceived in the USA so that the country could join WW2. People mostly do things because of ignorance rather than fear, because they believe in, they have faith in the authority, and that's where us humans fail at being so naive.

But you said that we do things for our wellbeing, define that wellbeing? How is it definded then? Isn't it subjective as well?

Sorry, I would write a bigger response, perhaps later, but I don't have much time right now.

Vagabond didn't say anything about the Germans obeying out of fear.  You clearly didn't look up the Milgram experiment he mentioned. 

Your little talk about humans vs. animals was completely irrelevant to Vagabond's post as far as I can see. 

Now, your question about how we define what the well-being of society is, on the other hand, is a great question.  It's an important question.  But it's not a harder question, and IMO it's an easier one, than "what is the correct set of absolute good/evil deeds (regardless of benefit/harm to society)?"  Because no matter what you say about what we all know "deep inside", people have been fighting over different opinions of that for millennia. 

Lastly, there's a subject I want to approach as carfully and clearly as possible. 
1.  Why did you put "millions of jews" (that were killed by Nazis) in quotation marks?  Does the remark about people still believing the media mean that you don't think millions of Jews were killed by Nazis? 

2.  In what way were "the masses" in the USA deceived as far as going to war in WW2?  (The Holocaust had nothing to do with our going to war.)  Does it have something to do with Pearl Harbor?