| Allfreedom99 said: I see there is no room for consideration from you, as well as Im sure you see there is no room for consideration from me on your views of the origin of the universe. Im sure you think my views are foolish, as I think your views are foolish. You say I am only looking through the prism of my own human intellect. But what else do we have to make sense of the universe around us other than what our human knowledge can understand? You say that there are factors we have not even discovered yet that will help us unravel the origins of the universe. What we have is human intellect and we make educated guesses on the information we have at our fingertips about the very beginning. I see design and order among chaos. All you see is chaos. Thats what you have implied. I will never understand the atheist view as also I know atheist will never understand a theists view. I look up into our vast universe and I see beauty, and a vast cosmos of splendor. I see planets naturally orbiting their stars. I see trillions of stars among each trillions of galaxies. I see a solar eclipse take place and see that the moon aligns perfectly with our star and we have a perfect viewing platform to experience it. I look at our earth and see beauty, colors, wonderful smells, and life. I watch the sunset over the waters and can only think, how beautiful that is. I go outside on a nice warm summer day and breathe in the fresh air. I see a huge beautiful universe and a special planet that we live on and it makes me see the evidence of a designer. You look at it all and see mathematical calculations that occured by chance. You see elements that naturally just occurred with no knowledgeable force to guide them. You will never understand me. I will never understand you. |
I'm sorry, but I have to weigh in here. I've stayed out of this debate so far because theological debates tend to end with me telling people their deepest beliefs are wrong, which makes me feel bad. But I have to reply to this to defend atheism.
You paint an incredibly bleak picture of atheism. I wouldn't really consider myself much of an atheist anymore, but I don't believe in a creator by any means, so what I say is still valid.
In my current line of research I have had to learn about how light behaves (as well as the occlusion, needless to say). I could tell you, mathematically, how light behaves during an eclipse*. But because I know how the light behaves doesn't make an eclipse less spectacular. If an eclipse were to happen right now I would be staring at the beauty like everyone else. Just because I understand the physics doesn't means I can't appreciate it. In fact, if anything, I probably appreciate it more because I understand it!
You paint a bleak picture of atheism. And beyond that you paint a bleak picture of having knowledge in general!
(*In fact the sun and moon rarely line up perfectly for an eclipse like you say, and most people get solar or annular eclipses. It's a matter of perspective, not design)
