Lots of bashing for the belief of God....

[vlad321]

pizzahut451 said:

vlad321 said:

So ok let's go over this real quick because this is getting less and less funny and more and more sad with each post you make:

Reponse with, and I quote, "No." That was it.

You STILL fail to realize that there is utterly overwhelming evidence it takes a man and a woman to have a child, therefore the burden of proof of "god did it" falls to you. Same with people doing dumb shit between the ages of 12 and 30, so the burden of proof falls to YOU, not me. You have utterly zero evidence besides what was written in a book, by a human, abiout what was said, by a few humans. The stupidity comes from the whole fact that you don't realize that "you have no proof of the opposite" does not apply to this, because extreme proof of the oppostie.

So I guess all the historic evidence describing Jesus Christ as sinless or moraly perfect person isnt good enough? Lots of roman and greek hsitorical texts and councels described him as an amazing and pure soul, unlike any other man. And if Jesus Christ was comcepted like a normal human, with an intercourse between a man and a woman or was he born by a virgin and like son of God is irrelevant because neither doesnt make his morals any less correct and rigteous, which was the point of our discussion, which you seem to forget/ignore and just focuse on your standard insults and disrespect. Why dont you just read this link  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus               

 

Somehow "everyone knows about Jesus" is proper evidence. That is laughably stupid as well.

Failure to realize "god is timeless" doesn't mean that god just alwasy existed. Where did this timelessness come from? Also if he is omniscient, you fail to realize that the whole shit about "free will" is laughable to him and utterly pointless. Unless he is omniscient but can't see what choices people make, in which case he isn't any more omniscient than you or me.

wut? ''where did timelessness come from'' wow, thats quite a question. God didnt come from anywhere, he's always been in the existance. As for omniscience, God can see what choices people make, and probaly knows how would those choices effect people, but he doesnt intervene with the choices people make, and as such, people can always change what happens in the future or what happens to them, and that is free will. God's plan is about us having free will. I guess im coming off as a desit here (and lately, I am starting idenitfy myself as one) but its true, God can look at the future but its us (humans, people) who are making it

 

Because it is hard to debunk made up stories. The burden of proof lies with whoever claims facts are true, not the opposite.

What made up stories? Jesus Christ isnt made, he is real .But you cant call anything made up until you actually have proof its made up. You can say ''its not worth the belief'' but you cant call it false until you have proof.

Your imagination, or lack there of, is failing. All you basically stated was A or ~A. Well no fuckign shit does A or ~A fill the entire range of possibilities. Your lack of imagination comes in the fact you don't realize just how unimaginably huge ~A is compared to A. It's liek saying, All the real numbers are 1, or NOT 1. Well no shit

Thats all I've been arguing about - that either Theism or Atheism are wrong as if God either created the universe or something else did (the unknow laws nature of physics),but to be honest, God is the best, easiest, most reasonable explanation for the creation of the universe asof now. But both ahtiesm and theism  of them cant be wrong at the same time, and that was my whole point.

I shall continue your laughable faults:

I read through that entire thing, plus skimmed some sources. Nowehre is it even close to claiming he is sinnless. I think you are just trying to project your imagination onto the subject. I don't see the need to argue with some one whose arguments are so laughably bad. I would just rather tell you why they are laughably bad.

So you can believe that god has always just existed, but you can't believe there were some quarks (or whatever other thing it might have been, I don't know) which have always existed? Furthermore your ENTIRE sentence is such a laughable contradiction. WHat you described is a fake free-will. If he knows how things are, then they cant be changed by us, and our free will is just an illusion. Furthermore, that means he has seen things such as World War 2, AND LET THEM HAPPEN. He is basically at fault of any atrocity that has happened if he is indeed timeless. Now if that isn't an asshole who should be tortured and killed I don't know what is. Then his excuse is "yeah i let my son bear the burden of my assholery." I swear, this part of the argument I am getting the most entertainment out of.

Jesus is real. His miracles, his heritage (the son of god), his resurrection, is all made up. They all stem from him being the son of god, so you assume that god exists to justify him. However you fail to understand that I am questioning those very assumptions, meaning anything absed on those assumptions is taken to be false, unless you prove your assumptions to be true. Which you can't, hence made up. In the end, the evidence goes overwhelmingly against Jesus and his mother, and I have yet to see any sinseible proof to their holiness.

Let's examine what else was "the best and easiest" in history. Flat earth. Geocentricity. Elemental spirits. I can keep on listing many such things. Historically what is "easiest" has been wrong, because the masses are idiots. Calculus wasn't the "easiest," nor is gravity, nor is just about anything natural in our existance. If anything, what the masses find to be "easiest" is a pretty good indicator of error.

Also, exactly what FInal-Fan said above.