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pizzahut451 on 08 May 2011
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vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:

Let me list the highlight of everything stupid you just said, I am sure I will miss some:

You defended your belief saying that "all the good ones" agree without realizing "good" is some imaginary concept you have in your own, apaprently not intelligent, head.

No, its just that you seem to be (and im not trying to be offensive, thats just what I see) a really sad, angry,disrespectful, hatefull  and extremly ignorant person of everything you dont support

You managed to discard 3 pieces of concrete evidence by shouting. Kudos to you, even my brother wouldn't argue like that since he was 6.

Evidence for what? That Jesus Christ wasa sinncer and his mother a whore? Sounds a lot like some random insults you imagend just to insult people and be disrespectuf as always, with NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, just your dumb assumption based on hatred of Christianity?

Using lack of evidence to defend your imaginary buddy, and then saying that lack of evidence doesn't prove anything, in this case Jesus' sins. Unless you know what he did between 12-30, and let me remind you what people usually do betwen those ages.

My evidence was and is just as useful as your evidence aganst my ''imaginary'' buddy. And i think every personw who's at least gonna try arguing about Christianity know who Jesus Christ is. You dont see to havr that kind of intelect.

You claimed that theory precedes evidence.... That is just... Wow. No words. Such ignorance is beyond hilarious, and I am actually sad that you believe something like that.

Once we have evidence for soemthing and we know its true, that is no longer theory, but a fact.A thoery is something that hasnt been proven yet for the lack of good evidence.

You liked to talk about first cause and stuff, but when it comes to god, for some reason you don't question "where the hell did HE come from?" Typical religious hypocrisy and double standard.

God didnt came from nowhere. He is omnipresent and infinite (timeless), meaneing he was always in the existance.

You claim there are some valid arguments about an omniscient, omnipotenrt,etc. being. This ties in with the previous point as well.

You  didnt atually bother to debund thos ''unvaild'' arguments to call  them unvaild, did you?

This isn't exactly stupid, but just a lack of imagination. There are things that we don't even begin to comprehend, an innumerable amount, yet you say that "there is a being" is more likely than literally a set which has no bounds that any human, given 100 lifetimes, would be able to even comprehend.

Thats a pretty dumb argument. You said just becauswe we cant even imagine or theorize something doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Univers could have only created in 2 way: By a supreme ultimate being (that being God) or by itself by some laws of physics or science yet unknown to us. There is no 3rd way, all other possibilites fit into first or 2nd describtion.

 

 


Also, I wont be able to respond for a wekk, im coming back to Serbia, and I wont be back online until next Monday, so I cant respoond to the topic until than.


So ok let's go over this real quick because this is getting less and less funny and more and more sad with each post you make:

Reponse with, and I quote, "No." That was it.

You STILL fail to realize that there is utterly overwhelming evidence it takes a man and a woman to have a child, therefore the burden of proof of "god did it" falls to you. Same with people doing dumb shit between the ages of 12 and 30, so the burden of proof falls to YOU, not me. You have utterly zero evidence besides what was written in a book, by a human, abiout what was said, by a few humans. The stupidity comes from the whole fact that you don't realize that "you have no proof of the opposite" does not apply to this, because extreme proof of the oppostie.

So I guess all the historic evidence describing Jesus Christ as sinless or moraly perfect person isnt good enough? Lots of roman and greek hsitorical texts and councels described him as an amazing and pure soul, unlike any other man. And if Jesus Christ was comcepted like a normal human, with an intercourse between a man and a woman or was he born by a virgin and like son of God is irrelevant because neither doesnt make his morals any less correct and rigteous, which was the point of our discussion, which you seem to forget/ignore and just focuse on your standard insults and disrespect. Why dont you just read this link  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus               

 

Somehow "everyone knows about Jesus" is proper evidence. That is laughably stupid as well.

Failure to realize "god is timeless" doesn't mean that god just alwasy existed. Where did this timelessness come from? Also if he is omniscient, you fail to realize that the whole shit about "free will" is laughable to him and utterly pointless. Unless he is omniscient but can't see what choices people make, in which case he isn't any more omniscient than you or me.

wut? ''where did timelessness come from'' wow, thats quite a question. God didnt come from anywhere, he's always been in the existance. As for omniscience, God can see what choices people make, and probaly knows how would those choices effect people, but he doesnt intervene with the choices people make, and as such, people can always change what happens in the future or what happens to them, and that is free will. God's plan is about us having free will. I guess im coming off as a desit here (and lately, I am starting idenitfy myself as one) but its true, God can look at the future but its us (humans, people) who are making it

Because it is hard to debunk made up stories. The burden of proof lies with whoever claims facts are true, not the opposite.

What made up stories? Jesus Christ isnt made, he is real .But you cant call anything made up until you actually have proof its made up. You can say ''its not worth the belief'' but you cant call it false until you have proof.

Your imagination, or lack there of, is failing. All you basically stated was A or ~A. Well no fuckign shit does A or ~A fill the entire range of possibilities. Your lack of imagination comes in the fact you don't realize just how unimaginably huge ~A is compared to A. It's liek saying, All the real numbers are 1, or NOT 1. Well no shit

Thats all I've been arguing about - that either Theism or Atheism are wrong as if God either created the universe or something else did (the unknow laws nature of physics),but to be honest, God is the best, easiest, most reasonable explanation for the creation of the universe asof now. But both ahtiesm and theism  of them cant be wrong at the same time, and that was my whole point.