Lots of bashing for the belief of God....

[vlad321]

DélioPT said:

vlad321 said:

 

But I do have faith, and I do KNOW that CB is true, and therefore your god isn't. I know it in my very being. The only response you have to this is "let's wait and see what is true" which means there is a need for observable evidence to act as an arbitator.

You are right, maybe she isn't a whore, I am sorry. However, I don't see how "adulterer and liar" can be considered "calling someone names." What other words would you use to describe someone who cheats on their spouse and lies about it which wouldn't insult you? Furthermore, I find it insulting that you claim Mary is a virgin just as you find it insulting I claim she is an adulterer and a liar. In fact almost any claim you make for your belief, my religion finds wrong and I find it insulting, and vice versa.

To me there is no need to prove anything, it may sound like it, but if it was really like that i wouldn`t have much faith, would i? It`s just an expression for those who don`t feel the way religious people do. It can be used for anyone who don`t see the way they do.

First of all you are just making up a ground that doesn`t exist, as you said it before. And that doesn`t seem to be a fair aproach when dealing with something.
So, you don`t believe she was impregnated by the work of the Holy Spirit yet you "think" she cheated with no grounds to do so. In truth, you have the whole story but you no accept one part and draw your conclusions that she cheated on Joseph.
You believe in one part of her life but not on the other part that`s deeply connected to the first. The Bible says she was a virgin and she conceived by the Holy Spirit. You neglect this part and accept the part that Joseph wasn`t involved. So why do you accept part of the Bible and not the whole, in regards to this story? They are connected.

If what i say insults anyone please believe i will restrain to saying it in such a way that it is seen as insulting. If there`s not a whole lot that i can say, i`ll resume to the arguments that i don´t as X sees it and will never act as if i`m better or use insutling words or arguments. It`s a case of sensitive. If others find it insulting i`ll try to no make it insulting the best way i can.

Still let`s imagine i have commited a sin. What`s the point of taking that and start calling names? I don`t go insulting people, for example, that sell themselves for money. I`m not better than them to start offending. I can see how or why they are wrong, but i`m not going to put myself in a place where it`s ok to insult just because they did something that is wrong even if just by my standards. That would be as wrong as what they did.
I always try not to pass on moral judgments. As Jesus said about Magdalene: "He who has no sins, may he cast (at her) the first stone."

No. Just no. What I have done is PERFECTLY valid, because everything I have done is on your rules of spirituality, your rules of how I need to close my eyes and "feel" what's out there. The whole point of my argument is that what I made up is EXACTLY like what you believe in, yet completely different.

I also told you that there is PLENTY of empirical evidence that someone back in those days woudl cheat and lie, and how there is empirical evidence women just don't get pregnant by themselves. So you are wrong here, too. I know the whole story, and the part you have that you say is missing I am not, faith says CB is flawless, so even spiritually I have "evidence" in my corner.

FInally let me put it this way. The only way you can stop being insulting is by stoppping to imply that Mary is a virgin, meaning you have to stop saying you are on the right path. The opposite is true for you not to be insulted by me, obviously.

Lastly, that last part you quoted is kind of absolutely hilarious. They wanted to stone Magdelene for a laughably unsuitable crime. I wonder whether he would have said the same thing had they just sentened her to be called a whore by everyone around. What woudl Jesus have said? "Let those who have not whored throw the first word?"