Lots of bashing for the belief of God....

[Final-Fan]

DélioPT said:

Final-Fan said:

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They are different, and yet ...
--I see the leap of faith you describe as a yawning chasm.  It's like the difference between "you've been dating someone for a year and they want to marry you, yes/no?" and "you signed up for a dating service and it says there's a good match for you, will you marry them yes/no?"  I see the various religions asking me to believe in God as the latter.  I don't have any reason to believe all the stuff in their holy texts is accurate depictions of real events.  Hell, even THEY'll admit they don't have concrete proof.  They just believe, and they want me to too.  Well no thanks, I'll just find out when I die and if God exists and isn't a humongous dick then the worst I should get is Purgatory if I've been a decent guy.  And if God is one, then I doubt my odds were too good anyway. 
--Then I said "sufficient justification" I did so because if I'd said ANY justification then you could just point to the Bible.  Fact is, you can't prove that any of the God-stuff happened.  There is NOTHING you can honestly call "proof", otherwise religious people would be shutting up atheists left and right.  It's all faith. 
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You can't say Hitler bears any responsibility for the murders the Auschwitz guard committed and then turn around and say God doesn't.  At least, not without being a huge hypocrite. 

1. No can honestly say that they know everything about God; that they absolutely know or compreehend God, not even the Church does that.
There is proof, it`s not just what some people would like to have. You have the Bible, you have apparitions, miracles and your and other`s personal lifes as manifestations of God. AS i said before, even those who when Jesus lived, even after performing miracles, still didn`t believe Him.
It`s a human thing, not a matter of proof.
--Can i show the world something that absolutely proves something? No more than the next person. Faith is a matter of the heart, not of the mind.
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Hitler was responsible for initiating a movement of hate and with that, fueling that movement with more than just words. Those who joined him are also responsible in their own ways, for their own actions.

1.  I have to wonder if you are deliberately misunderstanding me.  I am not speaking of knowing everything about God; far from it.  On the other hand, you continue to claim that the events described in the Bible are strong evidence, when in fact I do not consider the Bible to be reliable enough evidence in this matter.  Also, you speak vaguely of "miracles" and even more vaguely of "our lives as "manifestations of God", when the former are unsubstantiated IMO and the latter are blatantly begging the question if I understand you correctly. 

2.  So God is at least as guilty as Hitler, though they did not personally pull the triggers.