Allfreedom99 said:
I was actually not promoting the notion that you one has to observe something to believe it. We have a brain that can process certain information. That information can give us evidence of the existence of a certain object or event. This does not require direct observation. I was simply debating that fact that Vlad321 was arguing that they will only believe what they can observe. No matter what mathematical evidence scientists can claim, they still do not know scientifically exactly how the universe began. They can have all sorts of models and statistics but the facts are the facts. No one observed or has evidence of the first building blocks of the universe beginning. In light of this I cannot see how anyone can believe that there is not a higher power that started life as we know it. For this higher power to create such things as our complex bodies, time, space, ect it would have to be an all powerful being to do such things. Anyone on this earth can observe that everything works in unison. Our organs are mechanisms that perform tasks. Where did the laws come from that directed our organs to function and life to begin? Something cannot be set into motion unless something sets it into motion. Say that in the beginning of time and space there was nothing but a tennis ball. Can that tennis ball alone move itself and begin creating the universe? No. Therefore those that claim there is no God (higher being) are fooling themselves. You cannot have a universe begin just by a particle of dust that has no knowledge. A higher being with limitless knowledge and power could set in motion what we know as the universe today. In order to create life and the laws of nature there must have been a knowledgeable being that caused these things to come about. |
You've admited to being ignorant of some of the science and some of the analogies you make really do show it.
Firstly, you make a common mistake and place human ideas and values of order and creation into the world and universe around us. It's the nature of the human brain to find patterns in an attempt to make sense of the world and you interpret the world as having layers of order in areas of chaos.
Furthermore, you say:
No matter what mathematical evidence scientists can claim, they still do not know scientifically exactly how the universe began. They can have all sorts of models and statistics but the facts are the facts. No one observed or has evidence of the first building blocks of the universe beginning. In light of this I cannot see how anyone can believe that there is not a higher power that started life as we know it.
Why should anyone believe in a higher power when there is no evidence and no mathematical models for one. On one side you have models and calculations based on data gathered from a range of different instruments, on the other you have blind faith with no questions. One method will always improve and give us more information. The other will never give anything more concrete then "God did it".
Chemistry and physics also explain much of the complexity in the universe and will constantly strive to make the information more accurate. You say things work in unison, and they will.... for a while. For instance, what's the appendix for? (other than to randomly kill you). Science explains it as an artifact of our evolution and had a use at some point. Things work in unison, until they don't. You're placing order in the chaos of the human body.
You say there has to be a higher being to created the universe and the laws of nature. I have to ask, why?
