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pizzahut451 on 30 April 2011
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vlad321 said:
pizzahut451 said:
vlad321 said:
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vlad321 said:

No, the whatever was meant specifically for that single point, I thought you'd catch on.


So... you basically admit to using circular logic to justify whatever you believe in. Good to know. Just as you say "I found all morals given by God are perfectly correct," I can say "I found all morals given by XXXXXXXXX are perfectly correct" where XXXXX is literally anything, again even fairy tales hold as much logical backing as any belief system out there. In fact using circular logic like you do, I can make ust about anything sound true.


As long as those morals given by XXXXXXXX are perfecttly correct too, I dont see a reason why you shouldnt listen to XXXXXX. That is, assuming XXXXXX ia giving correct, good and righteous morals. If XXXXXXXX is givng false and bad morals, than XXXXXX doesnt hold much credit or value in comprassion with God. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IN THIS ARGUMENT, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO WEATHER YOU BELIEVE IN UNVERSAL OR SUBJECTIVE MORALS. I don't think you know the difference between the 2.


Again, define what definbes "correct, good, and righteous morals." Also, if you believe in universal morals, why are the christian morals the righteous ones? Why not the Aztec ones where you have to sacrifice yourself to a god to go to a form of heaven?

I am fully well aware of the difference between the two, you just don't realize that your logic is kind of laughable. Absolutely ANY argument you give me against fairy tales, I can use against religion. Which is why religion is just a collectino of fairy tales. It just happens to be a subset of fairy tales in which people actually believe.

Let me say it again. I dont see how ANY morals Christ gave to people can any reasonable and good person consider wrong. His morals are objectivly correct. Or do you think anything he said was wrong? if so, please enlighten me. Oh wait, you probably didnt even read the New Testament. And if other religious books and fairy tales share the same message about morals as Jesus Christ does, than by all means go compare them and make them all the same. Like I said before, it all comes down to faith. and I beleive his morals are right because I just dont see how any good and reasonable person  could consider his morals wrong. I didnt found a single thing wrong with his morals, so I beleive they are correct.  Christianity (or its original founders at least) never aimed to be ''THE GREATEST RELIGION IN THE WOLRD WHICH CAN DISPROVE EVERYTHING AND MAKE THE OTHERS LOOK LAUGHABLE AND STUPID'' People only got that impression because Christanity grew to be extremly powerfull and popular in the world. Christ wanted for Christanity to teach people how to live a righteous and good life, not to exterminate and disprove every other religion. I dont think many  (or any) religions disagree with his moral teachings. And what you said there furhter proves you dont even know what a moral is, let alone know the difference between subjective and unversal ones. Sacrificing yourself to God isnt a moral, its a commandment or a rule to an angry evil god. Why would God give you the gift of life and than wanted you to kill yourself for him? Thats not a moral.
 

So let me get this straight, your WHOLE argument and belief is based on an argument that can be just stated as "I am right because I say so." I hope you realize what a shit argument that is.

Let's play it your way. Your belief is wrong because there is no way the morals of the Aztecs (or greeks, celts, fairy tales, etc. etc.) are the universal truth, and I don't see how anyone else can say so. So you are wrong by the exacty same logic you used. I just substituted one made up belief with another. See how it works?

You also mention it all comes down to faith, and faith is highly subjective. As I said, what Christ taught is wrong because it is not in accordance with all the other belief systems out there. In fact every belief system is wrong because we don't know absolutely jack shit about anything. Given 0 information, the probability of being right is 0, which is absolutely any and all belief systems (even atheism, however it is more right than any specific religion, as I have already proven).

Actually, you (for the 4th time now) missed my point. I never said I am right because I say so. Did you forget what we were talking about? You said ''Fairy tales are the same as New Testament'' on which I said that New Testament is all about morals and teachings and if fairy tales are about the same moral teachings than go ahead and compare them. Than you asked what makes the moral teachings in New testament correct? I said it all comes down to faith and if you believe in universal laws. And than you asked what makes christian morlas the right ones (and thus twisting the subject). You are just going in circles in here, seeing as how I already answerd that question. While the world can never agree on universal moral laws, I personally beleive that Christ's morals belong to the good ones, as you still havent told me what exactly is wrong with Christ's morlas or how his teachings go against any other legitimate religous figures out there, so your point collapses there until you show me some examples where other religous figures and moral teachings go agaisnt Jesus's, but I doubt you will, seeing as you cant spot a diffrence between a way of worshiping a God or Gods and religious morals. And dont say stuff like ''people worshipped more Gods despite Jesus telling there is only one

 

And your last paragraph couldnt be more logically flawed. As far as I understood you, you said if we dont know  much about a beleif ( be it a beleif or theory) than that belief must be wrong. So Big Bang theory is also false than? So people didnt know anything about Earth being round than, so going by your logic, they were right in assuming otherwise? And your proved (you didnt actually, I disproved you) that a religious person has a lot fatter chances of ending up in Hell than an atheist person, but I already disproved youn on that. You didnt prove that atheisism is more likely to be right than a specific religion