r505Matt said:
I somewhat agree with you too, my only point is even if they seem like good morals to EVERYONE on the planet, that doesn't mean they are good morals. We would be basing our idea of good off of what we think, in terms of relativity, is good. Not to mention there is SOOO much grey when it comes to morals. So you bring up the golden rule. Treat others as you want to be treated. So if I wanted to be murdered (strange thought, but still) then I rightfully should go commit murder. I'm treating others as I want to be treated. Or maybe, in a less extreme example, what if I like pain (masochistic). Should I think inflict pain on others? Most people see that as wrong, but it follows the golden rule or treating others the way you want to be treated. That thought/idea/moral doesn't hold much weight in serious ethics discussions. As for the previous post, let's talk about unicorns. Let's now assume for a moment, without doubt, that unicorns never existed in reality. Assuming that statement to be true, it would be 100% impossible to find evidence of a unicorn, whether it be eyewitness or fossil remains or anything. According to what we've assumed to be true, you would NEVER ever ever be able to prove or disprove the existence of unicorns. There would be no evidence to find. That's my only point. Assuming for a moment that God does not exist, you would not be able to find evidence ever. Atheists believe God doesn't exist. Asking an atheist to find proof God doesn't exist (even if he does) is the same as me asking you to find proof that unicorns don't exist (assuming you don't believe in unicorns, if you do, put in some other mythological creature you don't believe in). That's my only point there. |
''Grey area'' doesnt disprove universal morals actually. ''grey area'' are most of the time taken out of context made up by humans to disprove universal morals such as ''burn and kill the innocent baby to save the world'' etc etc... They really annoy me sometimes.
If you want to get killed and /or tortured than you are not rational and/or mentally healthy person, you are most likely a sick or mentaly ill person and as such, not in position to make your own choices and guide your own life, let alone follow your own morals. And before you say ''but pain is considerd good by some people, pain is not universally a bad thing'' let me tell you that that answer can be flawed, because using that logic you can make anything look normal. It would be like saying ''its not un-normal for another human being to have 10 heads and 8 legs, because he is born that way'' despite that being an extreme gentic disorder in the person's development. The same can be said about people who consider getting tortured and killed a good or normal thing.
As for unicorns, we could, by using some scientific, historic, logical or biological mesaures, determan if the creature that fits to the describtion of the unicorn existed or not in the past. The same cant be said for God, because no laws of science logic or biologiy apply to him. At least not the laws we know about. Thats why its impossible for each side to show the evidence of thier belief. Its all about faith. Also, if you go 2 or 3 pages back, you'll see I've never actually asked for evidence of non-existance of God. He said all ideologies without evidence should be ridiculed to which I replied with saying Athesim also provides no evidence for its ideology and should also be ridiculed.
Also, what is your view on God? Are you a theist or atheist?
