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pizzahut451 on 27 April 2011
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Ok, now I am sure you are missing the point completely. So each person goes to whatever he believes in? If smoeone believes in witches and magic and warlocks, then he will go to whatever afterlife he believes in?


No, God damn it. The concept of Hell is extremly rare in non abrahamic religions.


That is what I was asking, believers in non-abrahamic religions don't go to hell? They end up going to whatever they believe in?

I dont know, but I know they dont end up in Hell like you said they would.

I have never actually mentioned going to hell, I was just following your lead to see where it woudl lead. I am glad you admit that you don't know though.

Now if you would be so kind as to respond to what I said to your first quote, where I ask you what specifically makes Christ's teachings "the right message."


IF we assume that abrahamic religon is right, like Christianity, than the non-abrahamic beleiver doesnt go to Hell, because the single most importnat rule that abrahamic God gave us is that you should love your fellow man. God doesnt judge people by the symbolics and religious figures they worship, but what kind of man were they during their life on Earth. Was the man good, loving and peacefull person, he wont go to Hell. The ''hell'' in today's soceity is greatly misunderstood. its not the place where demons torture you and you burn in fire, those are just symbolics. Hell, in its original concept in Christianity, is a place in afterlife without God, the place where man isnt with God in afterlife. And afterlife without God is said to cause great agonasing sorrow and spiritual pain to the person's soul.

IF we assume abrahamic religion, lke Christianity are wrong, then the beleiver in abrahamic religion wont go to Hell because Hell is pretty much non-existant in non-abrahamic religions. So one way or the other, a religious person wont go to Hell for worshiping a wrong religious figure.

And the Christ's teachings are right because they are morally correct and shows us the way how a good person should live his life.  I mean, do you even know what his teaching were?


I am oging to repost this:

Ah "whatever," the answer of a person with a defeated argument.I posted whatever on the sentence that had absolutely nothing to do with the main point of our discussion

I think you missed the point. I was asking how you determined what the right message is. You say Christianity doesn't have to be the only one with the right message, well, what makes the messages in the bible "the right messages?" I see you have absouletly no idea what Christ's teachings and message was on this world. He was teaching morals and righteous ways on how person should live his life. Puting it in simple English, his message was ''never do anything to another person that you dont wish to be done to yourself''  and ''respect  your God and see hims as the loving and kind God'' Those are his teachings summerized in 2 simple sentences. So what exactly is wrong about his message? Those are both 2 morally corect statements. But again, it all comes down if you beleive in absolute universal laws of morality, or do you believe if they are subjecitve.

There are many other teachings, for instance to Aztecs you were definitely going to their version of hell unless you died in a few very specific way, one of which was being sacrificed to gods. Why is their message of "I need to be sacrificed to a god" not right? Why does it depend on what the other teachings are for them to be valid? What information do you have that is more valid than theirs? Again, substitute anything for Aztec beliefs, even several fairy tales work, and all my questions still hold. You missed the point I was talking about. It doesnt matter if Aztec's beliefs were right or wrong, that doesnt debunk the New Testament and it doesnt make it less vailed or less sacred compared to Aztecs. This only futher proves my theory that you havent read a single page of the New Testament.The New Testament isnt about proving Christianity as the best and the single correct religion in the world. Its about the life on the founder of Christianity and his motal teachings to everyone who choose to follow him or just anyone who wishes to be a good person. Not once did Jesus say that he is the only person people should listen to and that symbolics of abrahamic relgion actually matter.

In your own words: " it does give it vaildity as correct and righteous teachings"  what exactly is that first "it?" Christ's words/ New testament. It comes down to if you believe in universal or subjective morals.

Finally, only the majority of biblical scholars believe Jesus existed. There are still plenty historians who aren't sure either. Just as the case of Arthur. He may have existed, he may not have.There is a lot of non-biblical evidence for hisotircal existance of Jesus Christ. There are few videos about it on youtube but Im too lazy to post them.

And add another question, why do you think it is morally right? Who told you that it is morally right? If you say "because Christ said so" that is extremely circular logic, and therefore wrong.Like I said above, it all comes down to if you believe morals are God given or man-made. I beleive morals are universal and God given, becaue I found all morals given by God and Jesus Christ to be perfectly correct. Its all about faith.