46% of Mississippi Republicans think interracial marriage should be banned

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@pizzahut451:

Yes, Jews are over populating germany and are getting richer and richer. In order to save german ayran race, we need to get rid of jews- this was considerd rational by over 50 million people back than., because they thought what they did was right.

This is what's called "false premise". There's nothing rational about it, and that's because that information is simply not true. Of course you don't understand rational arguments so...

To him, and his millions of followers he was a genius leader and saviour, wayyy far from irrational person. Who are you to say that his premises were irrational? There were at least 80 million people that disagreed with you. And now big majority of them agrees with you. Just like you said can happen with morals, rationality can also be chnaged or proven unrational trough history, acts and persons.in my opinnion, i beleive both rationality and morals are objective and absolute sowhat Hitler did was both irrational and un  moral. But, if we wanna go by your beleifs, if morals are subjective, than so is rationality. Every person has diffrent view of rationality and logical thinking.

Rationality doesn't change. Something isn't rational because most people say it is. Something is rational if it fulfills all the necessary conditions. You should read some philosphy or rhetoric books. Hitler didn't appeal to people's reason, he appealed to their emotions and their prejudices. He had no rational arguments.

Rationality is a certain type of CORRECT thinking, in other words, what a person thinks its the best view/way/solution on the matter. There are diffrent types of rationality as the German sociologist Max Weber suggested. Value/ beleif oriented rationality is one of them...Your comprassion with mathematics is useless, because maths are absolute, because of mathematical laws like II II = IIII. it cant be considerd diffrently, because thats just the way it is. There is only one answer to a problem that is 2 plus 2 and that is four. Those are mathematical laws, not a theory. A problem of Jews Germans had with them inWW2 could have been solved in numorous diffent ways ways, using diffrent logic on thinking but the people that that the genocide was a correct and thus rational.

I think you ashould actually read Weber's theories. You obviously have misunderstood him completely (not to mention that he's in no way the supreme instance when it comes to rationality).

So what makes one thought rational? What kind of law besides the moral law (which you reject, and there is a contradiction) can decide what is rational and what not?

Read books about rationality. Actually read them, and you'll find out.

Oh, but they are, just like rationality. 

Give me a rational, absolute, reason why staying a virgin 'till marriage is a good thing.

That only applies if you think morlas are man made, not God given, which isnt what our discussion is about.

Morals are man made. Everything regarding human culture and society is man made, including religion and the deity you worship.

He didnt broke his rules of logic. You cant force law into stuff like rationality and logic and put it aside when it comes to morals.Morality refers directly to what is right and wrong, regardless of what specific individuals think. It could be defined as the conduct of the ideal "moral" person in a certain situation.

Rules of logic aren't individual. He was a delusional paranoic person. His premises were all false, and his beleifs were irrational. The morals that you talk about are those who have a basis in rationality, but most morals don't.

Fine, but you also cant call it false because its both insulting and not proven and as such, not credible.

False 'till proven otherwise. Give me a reason to think that it may be true.