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sapphi_snake said:

@pizzahut451:

I do have a life outside this forum, you know?

Really? Lol, how you get all worked up over something like that

 

The Church was the religion. Therefore the religion forbade education.

The church is a religious institiution, not the religion itself. Seriously, are you doing this on purpose? Because i beleive5 year old child woud know the diffrence between the 2.


|It's to be debated whether Jesus wanted to be worshipped and to form a religion in the first place. As for the twisting, after all this time whatever Christianity was meant to represent is forgotten.

Christianity is based on Christ s teachings and if he said he is a son of God, i believe he wanted to form a new religion. Something like the New Testament - which is what Christianity is based onIf you hate christianity with such passion, at least learn a thing or 2 basic things about it

 

No, now they're actually running a car wash business actually (not joking), among other things.

Car washing doesnt really harm people does it?


Actually the Russian Orthodox Church directly participates in state matters. They even have a representative in the Senate I beleive.

But it doesnt run the country. Russia is a secular country, and as such the orthodox church doesnt run, and as such, its not in position to make laws, and much less persecute the people who dont follow thier religion.


This makes no sense. The countries you mentioned are Islamic theocracies, not secular countries. Heck, Saudi Arabia's "constitution" is the Koran.

I apologize, i must have made a writing mistake when i typed secular. I meant a religion state. All those countries are religion states where the religion is in charge and yet none of those countries have problem with UN agaisnt the human rights and freedom of religion. Do you honestly beleive being an open christian in Saudi Arabia is illegal?


They were Muslims regardless (their religion, and their education).

But they were still Europeans, which was my contra argument on your un educated europans claim.


Christ's teachings can be interpreted in various ways. Also, since Christ never actually wrote anything, there's no proof "his teachings" are actually "his teachings".

Ever heard of hsi apostles? They were pretty much next to Jesus his whole life on Earth, they spread his religion all across Europe. Considerin they were the friends and brothers of Christ, i highly beleive they would lie about him and decieve him. (except Judas, of course, which is said that the devil was dwelwing withing him, but that is just the myth)


Actually it's a well documented fact that Christians were largely illiterate 'till the Protestant Reformation (they actually cared about education, as they considered that all people needed to be able to read religious texts). Most Christians didn't need to know how to read, and only the clergy would learn during the Middle Ages.  Muslims had schools were people were obligated to go, so most of them were literate (people were encouraged to study religious texts over there, so they needed to know how to read). I could scan you my texts from Uni, but they're in Romanian. You can do research about this by yourself, if you won't take my word for it.

Like i said before, lots of educated and smart christians  were hiding from the church so there is no record of many europeans being educated in the history. And the ones that were in the public got persecuted and killed. Muslims had a much larger freddom of research and thinking than christians, so of course people think they were way more educated and advances

I didnt say they werent responsible for colonisation of Americas, i said their religion, Christianity, had very little to nothing to do with it. Dont twist words

They considered it their duty to invade and convert the natives. The fact that the natives were pagans also made killing them easier.

No, stop tryin to drag religion into this. Americans was the new discoverd land, just waitning to get plunderd and conquerd. People that were fightin there did so for money, wealth, slaves and rulership. it was only after the Americans got defeated religion came in the story. And compared to the invaders, the christian missionairies were angles. They thought people to write and read, gave them food and shelter and gave them their medicine (ironicllly, for the illnes they themselfes brought, but the point stands)


I've let go of this debate a month ago (LOL).

So why do you keep coming back to it than?