The_vagabond7 said:
You're assuming that you're only wrong about whether or not a deity exists. Pascals wager doesn't work because it is weighted as a 50/50 chance, either you're right about god or there isn't one. But it leaves out that there are thousands of gods and thousands of beliefs, and even within a single religious order there are numerous disagreements about how that specific god or gods want to be worshipped. If you were simply going to make a wager, the pragmatic approach would be you should either go all in figuring that it's unlikely you'll pick the correct god AND the correct method of pleasing him, and instead just live your life hoping that if you're wrong, the god that does exist is the kind that will judge you for your deeds and not judge you for arbitrary demands. So you win even if you don't believe in him. Or go the other direction and hedge your bet by picking whoever is the most unmerciful, hateful, vicious, punitive and punishing god, and suck up to his ass like there is no tomorrow. Because if there is a loving god that isn't arbitrary in his demands (don't be gay, pray seven times a day facing mecca, believe in me alone), but is genuinely loving then you're good either way. But if the actual god is wrathful and unmerciful, then you need to be on his good side or else there is going to be torments worse than hellfire in your future. I obviously go with the first option, seems more rewarding than living a life sucking up to Cthulu, or ancient gods to appease them. But even then it's not because it's statistically smart, it's because there isn't any good reason to believe in any of these elder gods of ancient tribes.
Also all religious faith is being questioned and held up to be scrutinized by the rational, not just your pet interpretation of your personal one. And That is not even close to persecution, go read some history books to learn what religious persecution looks like (it's considerably more violent and disturbing than sarcasm on the internet, or democratic political legislation to make a more religiously nuetral government environment). And two, it goes for all faiths. It's just that alot of religions excel in persecution complexes, which leads to confirmation bias that clearly they are being singled out, just as was foretold in every holy book ever written by any person claiming to be a prophet. It's just "us vs them" conditioning to strengthen the tribe. "Your enemies will rise up against you and your kind, and speak out against you and your way of life!" "There are people that actively disagree with me, just like the prophets of yore said they would! Now I know I'm right!" ect ect. |
Ugh, what? I wasnt assuming anyhting, what the hell are you talking about?
1.I never assumed anything. I said, if christians are wrong, than we die, and thats it, lights out. If atheists are wrong, the consequences will be much much worse for them. Chrsitians at least have a chance of avoiding hell even if their God is wrong because abrhamaic God is the same for muslims and jew as well. Beleiving is false God is not that much of a sin as denying any kind of God whatsoever. If people never heard or studied of the specific God, it cant be thier fault they didnt worship him, because they didnt know him. A sin is something that peroson, under full concience, comitts that is agaisnt God or his morality
2.I wasnt going to make any wager with anyone.
3.God (all the Gods that are supposed to be Gods of good and loving religion, the only religions i will actually count) doesnt have a way you should worship him. Accepting him as your God and Lord in your heart and not doing anything to anyone that you do not wished to be done to yourself is enough to be a good person in Gods eyes. God doesnt want you to worshi him and kill for him, he wants you to live your life the best way you can and try to be as good person as you can. I beleive that all thos rules are just there to divide people, and the only rules, that matter, for me personally are those i mentioned above. I believe the christian God is the right one (even thoug Jews and muslims beleive in the same God) because, in my opinnion, he is goodness and everythig right in this world. Besides,
4.I never said anything about persecution in that post, stop twisting the words. I said people in this web site always attack christian and in MOST cases ONLY christian religion, because they see someone proudly expressing it as a personla attack. What the hell are you talking about?
