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[vlad321]

sapphi_snake said:

vlad321 said:

sapphi_snake said:

vlad321 said:

Absolute bullshit. The Byzantine Empire is what preserved culture trouughout all of Europe. While France is the oldest technically, they were absolutely pathetic compared to all the knowledge and culture preserved in the Byzantine Empire. Saying the Moors perserved culture is as stupid as saying the Catholic church perserved culture.

In fact, Muslims fucked everything up. When the Ottoman empire took over the Byzantine Empire, the Renaissance had basically just begun in Constantinople. In fact the Renaissance happened because of the immigration of great thinkers from the Byzantine Empire to Italy.

You can ignore history and all. It won't change. I provided a link that proves my point. And what do the Ottomans have to do with this? I was talking about the Moors.

Oh perfect, a link to wikipedia, thare's some great historical knowledge there. That was dripping with sarcasm, if you couldn't tell. I hate to break your bubble, but wikipedia is worse than a hobo on the corner when it comes to historical knowledge.

You seem to have yoru facts completely wrong, claiming that the Moors perserved culture and started the Renaissance is just silly. I also never said anything about the Moors, I was just blaming the Ottomans for slowing down the Renaissance, which comes from the Byzantines, not the Moors.

Well if you think you are convincing by making statements and saying they're facts because you're saying them, I don't know who you think you're kidding. Read some material on the matter. Beleive it or not, that Wikipedia link offers good information.

Now if you could genuenly provide any sources to indicate that the Moors didn't preserve Greek knowledge, and that Western Chriaitans didn't gain access to them during the Reconquista, be my guest.

http://www.jannah.org/articles/contrib.html

http://www.aina.org/books/hgsptta.htm

Also watch the decomentary When the Moors Ruled in Europe.

Oh, did you know that if it weren't for the Moors instead of writing "1, 2, 3...", you'd be writing "I, II, III..."?

Read my edit, also read the following:

Har, Michael H. History of Libraries in the Western World, Scarecrow Press Incorporate, 1999,

and

Norwich, John Julius, A Short History of Byzantium, 1997,

Both understand that the Renaissance flourished in Italy because greek scholars and texts left the Byzantine Empire and went to Italy, a bunch to Florence if I remember correctly (which some consider the birth of the Renaissance). Moors had nothing to do with it. I am also very well aware of the arabic numbers and the roman numerals.