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Calmador on 27 March 2011
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vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:

'm not wrong.

Your defining theft on whether what you stole is physical or not. I think that doesn't matter.

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent"

The only way you can argue that piracy is theft is if you classify ideas as property and that when I buy a game the game isn't mine, but the person to whose idea it is.

However if you go down the path of classifying ideas as properties, you run into so many problems and pitfalls, that you realize it is just silly to consider ideas the same as physical property. Therfore, you are wrong.

I'm not talking about the legal definition. I'm talking about it morally.

Yes intillectual property can be stolen, it is sold for the ownership of ONE person, not as many copies as you can make. You weren't sold infinite copies of the game. It can be stolen, physcially, a game disc from a retail store or just dowloading a copy from a torrent or a copy from a friend. What's not to understand?

So then you don't own the games you buy? Even better, you are implying that ideas are like physical property. What happens when two people come up with the same ideas? What about when a person has an idea but doesn't do anything about it, but someone else realizes it? I had the ida of YouTube back in 2000, yet no one paid me money when someone else made it. Furthermore, how long are ideas your property? They never rust, wear out, or break, so how long should an idea be property, and why such a length of time?

There are dozens and dozens of other problems with your train of thought, which is the exact reason why treating an idea as property, the way you do, is just plain wrong.

Where exactly are you taking this conversation to now?

Look ideas aren't the easiest thing to tack.. that's why you have to copyright your ideas as soon as think them up. That's our little system that keeps things in check. That's the best we can do about it and that takes care of all your questions.

Took care of your dozens and dozens of problems. Stealing is just plain wrong.

I'm going to sleep, I've take care of all what you've brought up. Accept it. Enough of these lame excuses... just accept it. That's what you have to do...you know it's wrong but you've come up with so many empty excuse. Accept it.

ttyl



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.