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Calmador on 26 March 2011
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vlad321 said:
Calmador said:
vlad321 said:
Calmador said:

I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.

The truth is some people within the hacker community can't be trusted and these people cause a lot of damage morally and economically to the video game industry. BUt BUT calmador they wouldn't buy it anyways... that's ridiculous... in order to buy something you have to be interested in getting that item... pirates ARE interested in getting that item (video games), that's why they have it right? They just don't want pay for it because they are shameless thief, scum of society that need swift justice and judgment. If they don't want to support a bad game, or DRM... then they should just not buy the game, nothing more, nothing less[period] People can express themeselves by not buying the game, but people don't have to steal the game. The problem is people are stealing AND not buying the game. They have lied to themselves... and believe it.

Laws and punishments need to be placed. Track all pirates, put them in jail for a certain amount of time... no bail and as for hackers that allowed this, let them never be allowed to own or touch any technology so he/she may not make piracy or any other immoral behavior possible.


There is a lot of ignorance in this post, but I'll counter with just oe thing.

Consumers have obviously spoken, and businesses are bitching because consumers want/demand something that does not fit the business model. I say, let those damn businesses go bankrupt, and whoever finds a new business model that meets the new demands of the consumers will be absolutely damn rich. The rest can go die off with their shitty obsolete business models. As I said, corporations bend over and get railed by the consumer, not vice versa.

You didn't counter anything?

I wasn't exactly talking about any business model? So why talk about business models. All I said was, some hackers allow piracy... and that people pirate. Hackers and these pirates are doing something wrong and it is economically damaging.

Anyways of course consumers should be incharge... but like I said... they shouldn't steal which in turn is bad for the economy.

Piracy isn't stealing, that's your main fallacy in your argument.

Piracy is a sign of what consumers want. Ability to get something instantly, within minutes of their initial "i wanna listen/watch/play xxxxx," the ability to copy it wherever and whenever they wish, not having to pay ridiculous amounts of money for something they deem isn't worth the amount. There are many reasons for piracy, in fact this thread mentioned it. Pirates are just under-serviced consumers who demand something that they aren't getting. It's up to the businesses to find a way to provide for them, and whoever does will be rich, whever doesn't should go bankrupt. The thing is that incompetent businesses want to remove piracy because of their obsolete business models are hurt by it, as they should be.

Also, yes, this very much counters your entire misguided rant.

Piracy is getting something and not paying for it. It's stealing.

Making back-ups is fine... why are you talking about back ups? If somehing is not worth the amount then don't pay for it? People don't have steal it. If items are worth too much just don't pay for it. It's not rocket science. Pirates are under-serviced consumers, that's funny. I imagine some would like more, or how you put it under-serviced... that still doesn't give them the right to own something without paying for it. It is up to the businesses to find a way to provide for them... and if they fail the consumers still don't have a right to steal. Business are hurt just fine without by consumers not paying for thier products... but consumers are immoral when they enjoy something that isn't paid for.

Not one bit. It isn't misguided at all.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.