Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
The best way to control population is women's rights. Women who live in countries where they can have meaningful careers and opportunity tend not to have 5 or 6 children like many women in conservative countries.
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While I'm not against woman's rights.
I'd say that has less to do with woman's rights, and more to do with the fact that you don't need children to survive in modern countries. Which also happen to be the more liberal ones. in the countries where birthrates are high... it's because there are a lot of ways for your children to die... and you need the "free" labor to survive a lot of the time.
Afterall, Italy for example has an EXTREMELY low birthrate.
It also has such a bad situation with women that women are protesting the streets over the prime minister's massive sexism... and really, it's part of his popularity.
I mean, these two pictures I think tell a lot when you pay attention to which poorer nations have policies to curb population acting as an unacounted for variable. (Pasted only the links so as to not break the thread.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Birth_rate_figures_for_countries.PNG/800px-Birth_rate_figures_for_countries.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Gdp_per_capita_ppp_world_map_2005.PNG
I mean, consider Poland. Low birthrate... doesn't have the best women's rights record.
I mean, abortion is illegal in poland except rape, danger of the mother and deformation. It's not exactly "your wife can't leave the house without a bigass cloth over her face" but i'd say it's probably comperable to some of the more progressive third world nations.
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There isn't quite as much a correspondence to women's lib and birthrates anyway. For its levels of economic development, Japan is severely backwards when it comes to women's rights (I think abortion is still outright illegal there, culture looks the other way on rape and sexual harrassment which are nominally illegal, similarly with prostitution), but has perhaps the lowest birth rate on the planet
Examples like that would point to the mere fact of economic development itself, with the only outlier being America
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Well... it probably didn't help that their women's rights movement was basically the Allied goverments telling Japan that they were now giving women the right to vote.
I can't really speak on Japan though. Sometimes I hear stories where people say women's rights are horrible there, other times I hear people say it's a lie and women's rights are great over there....
and it's basically never anyone FROM Japan.
As for culture looking the other way on sexual harrasment and rape... i'll asume you mean moreso then average in anycase.
The issue of Prostitution is a hard one to quantify in the terms of gender rights though, unless your just talking about the general attitude shown towards prostitutes.
In practice the making it illegal to solicit prostitution but not being illegal to be a prostitute seems to get the best results... but it's a pretty illogical setup as far as things go on paper.
Though, so is prostiution being illegal, but porn filming being legal. Paying for sex is illegal... but if I pay for sex and film it... now THAT is legal.
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Not to get off track, but i imagine they could get around that through a licensing system similar to how Nintendo keeps the riffraff off their SDK's: you would need a license to film pornography, and need a registered company that operates on a properly zoned "set," probably similar to how the Netherlands has legalized prostitution, by making it a clearly delineated and regulated trade (or how you have to sell liquor in Pennsylvania)
Because that is a pretty egregious loophole. I mean, everyone has webcams at least now, and any sort of filming could just be called amateur porn, and the exchange of money the hiring of a performer.
And i think it would be safe to say that Japan is clearly worse in at least a few of those regards. Teachers molesting students is definitely a zero-tolerance thing here, but only on paper there...
