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jarrod said:

M.U.G.E.N said:

wow :D where you start and where you end with your arguments.

you say handhelds are 'blurring' markets because they sell way more, basically. Which is utter nonsense.

Blurring doesn't mean merging or being viewed the same. It means blurring. A lot of devices blurr the lines all the time, doesn't mean anything. smart phones are blurring a lot of lines too, doesn't mean anything. they are not the market leader for gaming as a whole by any means.

Market leader isn't a philosophical question or anything. What sold the most in it's relative market = market leader.You make something simple so complex in your mind. It really isn't.

What's this nonsense about ds gave what they wanted and ps2 gave what they wanted? PS3 also gives what they wanted! lol great games, great hardware, great accessories like torne etc. People won't by them if they didn't 'want' them as you say.

and why are you going on as if you are an expert of Japanese Psyche? :P didn't know you were such an expert on the matter. What other research have you seen on the subject saying this is how they view this and that? would LOVE to see them

again, simple concept for ya, may it be Japan, may it be Mongolia, May it be mars....one products decline in poularity doesn't mean merging of markets. that's rather false and misguided claim to make. the day handhelds can do everything consoles can, and until the day Japanese don't buy home consoles for what they offer, there will be different markets with different target audiences. It's not 'Japanese' logic, it's logic.

man feel like this is never gonna end. Just because wii is struggling in hw and sw sales in Japan doesn't change the fact that it's the market leader for home consoles. It just shows that unlike the ps2 before it, it's a rather weak leader.

Uh, no.  That is exactly what I wasn't saying, hell I even laid out GB & GBA outselling the home consoles of their day as examples that a giant userbase don't make one market leader.  I have no clue how you could get the idea that I was saying biggest userbase = market leader from what I wrote?  It's clearly more involved that that.

The core problem here is you're defining the market by one aspect of the hardware alone (home/portable), and you can't seem to see past that.  The Japanese market today isn't declining, it's different and evolved.  It's blurred and yes, merged. The market that Famicom and PlayStation led isn't led by Wii or PS3, it's led by DS.  DS isn't subjugated into the supplementary role that Game Boy was, it literally leads the market.  This is not in any way difficult to see or understand.

Until the day that Japanese don't buy home consoles for what they offer?  Are you looking at the same weekly hardware sales I am?  The Japanese games market has already moved on... they don't want Wii, they don't want PS3, they want DS, PSP and now 3DS.  NGP will be the death knell for the traditional home console in Japan.  I mean, wtf... how can I be any clearer?  How can the data, the trends?  How could anyone with even an ounce of logic and awareness not see this?

? how the heck is those two markets merging? you rant on and on about japanese psyche etc etc yet you end up with sales as your argument at the end of the day. NOT THE SAME MARKET! period. again just because handhelds sell more does not mean markets are merging or suddenly how the Japanese market think they are one in the same. Just a narrow minded and wrong way of looking at things. don't worry I doubt you CAN be any clearer how wrong you are. I see smart phones selling loads but I don't suddenly imagine a world where Smart phones are the market leader for everything gaming. There is a reason why the HW is different, there IS a reason why people keep buying HOME consoles along side handhelds, there is a reason why home consoles are still getting some great game support from devs...because there is still a market for them that is DIFFERENT from the handheld audience. You are right, I do not comprehend how anyone with even a simple understanding of what different markets mean would not understand this simple fact. oh wait nvm I think I answered my own Q there.

again just because the current home console leader is weak and performing poorly does not mean it's not the market leader in that segment. It's just a rather weak one which third parties seem to have let go of. Luckily ps3 is still getting a nice stream of games regularly, cuz some Japanese citizens apparently did not get the handhelds and home console merger memo.