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Kasz216 on 02 March 2011
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Final-Fan said:
Baalzamon said:
Final-Fan said:

Climate =/= weather

And obviously the models are void if an asteroid hits, that's not the point. 

I'm not even talking that drastic of events though...even slight changes with the Sun, which likely have huge weather impacts, are these models including that?

Also, based on the massive amounts of data available, I have an extremely difficult time when EVERY single model I see shows the world warming up for the next how many years.  When you have that much data, unless the models are being manipulated to exclude data that will show otherwise, there WILL be models that show it cooling down.

I don't think that statement holds water.  I mean, aside from the fact that you're alleging a vast, globe-spanning conspiracy of millions, why would having MORE data make the models LESS consistent? 

You'd think, though the problem with the past data is well... it's incomplete.

They just threw it all together... ignoring a number of different factors.

Some years weather stations data wasn't available, so they just didn't count it for that year... but counted it for all the others.  Which, causes change even if there wasn't change.

They didn't account for changes in enviroment.  Have the same sun bearing down on grass one day, then pave over the grass another day... and tempeture will rise even if it's the same level of heat because of the difference in concrete vs grass... etc

 

There are so many factors when it comes to the traditonal based weather station readings... only Sattelite can really be trusted.  With that being the case, it's hard to argue what is causing it, though the short trends we do have do suggest SOMETHING is causing warming.  Though it may end up being just the earth itself naturally.  Which is a contingency that should be planned for.