Where and why modern Zelda fails or "Zelda. WTH happened?"

[LordTheNightKnight]

Khuutra said:

LordTheNightKnight said:

theRepublic said:

LordTheNightKnight said:

Older Zelda games appealed to the expanded audience.

I disagree with that.  Zelda has never much appealled to the expanded audience.  It has always been core, first and foremost.

Why? Where does it say only people who play games heavily liked the first couple games? Just because it takes long sessions to beat doesn't mean the first games were only liked by heavy gamers.

You did not qualify "the expanded audience" in the context of this conversation, so it has to be taken within the context of the Zelda series itself.

Zelda by definition could no previously appeal to an expanded audience; they were core titles at the time and appealed to the core.

You mean that they appeal to gamers to whom companies no longer cater - I forget what Maelstrom called them and cannot be bothered to check.

"People who play games heavily" isn't what core means. You are confusing core vs. expanded with "hardcore", which isn't something I expected.

Old Zelda games did primarily appeal to hardcore players, at least those were the oens who primairly beat it, because it required a great amount of time investment in order to learn the system or (morei mportantly) the layout of the world and its dungeons.

Old Zelda games by definition couldn't appeal to the expanded audience, though. If they did, then that audience woudln't be "expanded" at all, they would just be gamers.

No, I was going by the context of the comments I replied to.