NotStan said:
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:
Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.
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I don't know, games on X360 that can be classed as "hardcore" have done reasonably well, Halo 3 is the top selling game, second only to MW2 and it's expansion, ODST pulled something like 5.6M, which is reasonable considering all it added was 5-6 hour campaign. I don't think it shaped hardcore market but it did provide some interesting and innovative alternatives that can provide new and fresh experiences. Gears is also a good example as both gears have sold 6m apiece, with the 3rd looking to outperform the previous iterations, also majority of the multiplat games sold better on X360 before, but now PS3 is catching up and selling them on par or even higher in some cases - multiplat games of established games such as resident evil etc.
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Regardless of the definition of "hardcore" the games on both X360 and PS3 are fairly similar. If the PS3 couldnt attract customers then it would make sense that neither would the X360.
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But X360 came out first so wouldn't it be the other way around? :S, we could agree on them being co-dependent of each other, without the competition I don't think that we'll be where we are, but the infact the impact of either would not have been that dramatic. I think in most cases X360 and PS3 were riding off the previous generations breakthroughs, Xbox and PS2.
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It would depend on why the PS3 failed.
I assumed that in order for the PS3 to fail it would mean that the demand in the market shifted away from systems that had game line-ups like the PS3. Other then branding and a few minor features, X360 and PS3 are really quite similar in terms of their game line-up.
Even if X360 came out first in a market that PS3 fails, the X360 would also do poorly.
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I really don't see the logic for your reasoning. How can an entire "hardcore" market be reliant on the PS3s performance if X360 multiplat games were selling more than PS3 ones until now, you'd find that in most cases of pre 2009/2010 the multiplat games, X360 won in most cases with only few exceptions from Japanese developers, where Japan made quite a difference in terms of sales. Really, the only "hardcore" market segment that would be missing are the exclusives such as Killzone, Uncharted etc, but they can be made up with Gears, Halo, COD etc. There are plenty of games on both consoles that can be considered alternatives to each other, I don't think that PS3 made a massive impact in terms of games other than exclusives, which are great but effectively are not responsible for the largest segment of "hardcore " games.
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The way I approached the question in the OP was to hypothesize the circumstances that would bring about the PS3 failing.
You're right, that's what did happen. However, if the PS3 failed, there must be a reason, since it didn't fail despite the slow start and high price, and that reason might have other implication then just PS3 failing.
I proposed that the PS3 could only die if the market shifted away from the types of games typicall found on HD consoles. If that's true then other things must be true as well. For example, the X360 would never have sold as much as the PS3 and X360 did combined, subtracting the sales of gamers that bought both. Since if the PS3 failed to sell it means that there aren't people in the market willing to buy a HD console. In my opinion the difference between the X360 and PS3 is not that great.
It is also possible that gamers are not loyal to brands. In this case the console that was released first and cheapest would be the greatest selling. This would have its own reprucussions. Game and console prices would drop. Unique IPs might do better. Nintendo might have better 3rd party support. Etc.But I don't think there is a lot of support for this argument.
Why would X360 sell more and the PS3 sell less?
