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IamAwsome on 21 February 2011
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LordTheNightKnight said:
Squeakthedragon said:

Most people I actually know who tried Red Steel II thought it was a fine game. Still a bit rough and could use a couple of tweaks to some of its concepts, but on the whole, really good. Only one I know didn't care for it, but he is someone who hates all motion controls on concept alone and only plays FPS-like games on PC.

The bigger point though has little to do with the quality of the game, I think. (Though putting RSII on the same level as Deadly Creatures and Madworld is a seriously disingenous argument. Its relative quality in all areas is much higher than those two games, even if it's still not a AAA game itself.)

Rather, Red Steel II was doomed because the hardcore ship has already sailed on the Wii. Most people have a 360 or PS3 at this point, and for the average gamer there's no attraction, I suspect, in playing what is basically a hardcore game with worse graphics and lack of online functions on the Wii. Even well done and innovative motion controls aren't enough; they've already been burned and turned off permanently by the avalanche of crappy shovelware and failed attempts at core games. Wii has a bad taste.

People will still buy Nintendo games because those are unique enough they can't get a similar experience anywhere else. And Nintendo tends to make games that look and run suberbly well on the Wii due to art direction and technology. A Mario Galaxy game may as well be a 360 game at a lower resolution (the fantasy art style doesn't need more polygons and better textures to look great.)

But, I don't know if Wii games aimed at the core gamer can hack it (pun not intended) anymore. On the other hand, one must ask if million sales  are entirely neccessary. Capcom recently said that Tatsunoko Vs Capcom didn't sell millions, but it did make a profit and thus, was justified on the Wii. Did Ubisoft really spend that much on Red Steel II, especially with no parallel development of a multiplayer side?

It's not the avalanche of shovelware or the graphics. The PS2 had both last gen, but ALSO had loads of support for the other kinds of games. It's that which cause RSII to lose attention. Gamers don't think these kinds of games are even on the Wii at all.

The only ship that saled was developers, not the gamers. Gamers will buy more FPS on the Wii when it's clear they are getting more. It can still happen, since Goldeneye and Black Ops are selling faster than previous Wii FPS (and note how CoD is not only the most consistent selling Wii FPS, but also the most consistently released FPS, which is not a coincidence).


I think that the gamers went to the HD consoles when they saw the massive piles of shovelware on the Wii in 07. I doubt that the developers "sailed the ship" away from the Wii because over half of western devs never supported the Wii at all outside of shovelware (Epic Games anyone?). Another thing that supports what I'm saying is that few core franchises sell on Wii. Those franchises are COD, Resident Evil, and EA Sports sims. 

One last thing is that the 1st Red Steel ws crappy. It's possible that gamers bought that with their Wiis at launch and realized how crappy it was and it scared them away from the Wii altogether.