| jarrod said: Er, I think you pretty much entirely misunderstood my statement... I wasn't saying a CD-ROM based N64 would've precluded PS2 happening because Sony would've worked with Nintendo, I was saying a CD-ROM based N64 would've precluded PS2 happening because such a system would've held on to Nintendo's overwhelming developer support and likely crushed PS1. Not that the media alone was at issue with Nintendo and 3rd parties, but it was definitely biggest wedge and what ultimately led the mass exodus of developer support to PlayStation. Also, Sony was always keen to get in on the games hardware market one way or another. They co-developed the MSX standard with Microsoft and other firms, they lambasted their engineers for not coming up with something like the Game Boy before Nintendo did, and they tried getting deals going with both Sega and Nintendo in order to get a piece of their royalty pie. Nintendo's "backstab" was even self-preservation in the end anyway, Sony's lawyers basically wrote into the deal that Sony would retain 100% of the royalties off SNES CD-ROM software, effectively cutting Nintendo out of their own platform. That's the only reason why Nintendo struck the deal with Phillips in response, which itself ultimately went nowhere. |
Well i wasn't saying that either ;) i think its a matter of personal interpretation, your intentions were clear as to show that if it weren't from CD rom PS2 wouldn't exist since N64 would had crushed PS1 rite?
All i pointed out was why go that far? The truth of the matter is if it weren't from Ninty backstabbing Sony, PS1 wouldn't exist let alone PS2
Ninty decision changed everything there are no IFs here
Sure you can say but what if Ninty used Philips CD drive on N64, but then again why did Ninty break its partnership with Sony, maybe they thought Cartridges were good enough for the next gen and the benefits outweighed the cons? See there really isn't a point of dwelling on past decisions
All im saying is that if you are going to use IFs at least go for the main reason which dates back to the NES and not N64 media choice which was more likely than not influenced by the previous event
And im not saying that The CD wasn't a big factor in PS success (and Ninty dethrone?), but truth of the matter is that there are several other factors that helped this happen, which is very peculiar and interesting how fate works.
Pretty much Sega screwed up with their console which help Sony gain momentum and market share with the PS1 which came at lower price point and offered better games (only Sega 1st party used the hardware properly)
- -The Sega Saturn was the more difficult console to program for with some titles being dropped during the development process
- - 3-D graphics on its third party games often lacked the luster of the PlayStation, a severe disadvantage at the dawn of 3-D games on home consoles.
- - Sega was also hurt by the plan to have a surprise four month early US launch of their console. This head strat failed for several reasons. One of the major reasons being there were few software titles ready.
- -The Sega Saturn was also US$100 more expensive than the PlayStation at its launch, and only available at four retailers.
- - Sony took an early advantage by initiating an expensive ad campaign and appealing to an older demographic who had grown up playing video games. The PlayStation was positioned as a necessity alongside the TV and VCR. The securing of this demographic is widely credited as the key to the system's success
- - Nintendo 64 was released later than the other two consoles with which it was originally meant to compete directly. By the time of its release, Sony had already established their dominance and the Saturn was struggling to keep momentum.
- - Its use of cartridge media rather than compact discs alienated developers and publishers due to the space limits and the relatively high cost involved (compare US$3.50 for an N64 cartridge to 35¢ for a PS1 disc), though the Nintendo 64 had much faster load times because of its cartridge media
See what I'm getting at? while i agree 100% Media choice, more precisely CD was a big factor, but there were a number of other factors that ultimately lead to PS1 success
Also your point "I was saying a CD-ROM based N64 would've precluded PS2 happening because such a system would've held on to Nintendo's overwhelming developer support and likely crushed PS1" Is rendered useless or null by the fact that: By the time of its release, Sony had already established their dominance and the Saturn was struggling to keep momentum. Which translates into Dev support rite? or am i mistaken?
