landguy1 said:
Booh! said:
landguy1 said:
Booh! said:
landguy1 said:
You just proved my point... Sony does not disclose actual sales any longer, only shipped units. They are not the same.
They don't disclose the terms of the sales(of course) they just call all units as sold.
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Quite the opposite, but you'd have said that I proved your point anyway.
For those too lazy to follow the links, Sony reported shipments until Q4 2006 (31 March 2007) and started reporting sales of hardware since mid 2006. The numbers that are now provided by Sony are sales of hardware.
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No, I agree that they state them as sales. My point from the begining has always been how you calculate that number itself. This is really a matter of how they do their accounting VS. how they make a general reporting of sold units(again, without disclosing the real terms of the sales). I have NO expectation that Sony or any company would publicly disclose their terms to their suppliers or to their resellers. That's why the debate of sell through matters. If a company ships a bunch of units to retail(example), accounting wise they mark them as sold units. Now, on their balance sheet they move it to another line that is now waiting for payment. So, they officially call them sold, even though they are not yet paid for(standard practice for any manufacturer). The only reason that i even started this whole thing about it mattering about sold to consumer relates to the actual income from those sales coming later(even though accounting wise - the manufacturer can claim the profit right away). So, all the way back to the top on this is that even though sony(or M$ for that matter) claims to have shipped/sold 6.3 million units that quarter, that doesn't mean that they have seen the income from them yet-which is what really matters from an investor point of view. True enough, that in any case for any of the consoles this generation, the units would be sold through to the consumer by the end of the next quarter anyway.
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Not really, shipped means shipped, sold means sold. The different account method was introduced by Sony in 2007 when PS3 was sold at a loss: counting sold units instead of shipped ones meant to delay by a month or two the loss derived from the sales of units, by delaying the formal delivery of the units to the retailers (and so their devaluation from the production price to the lower selling price).
Nintendo (for example) could not count sold units the same way Sony does, because in some countries Nintendo delivers its products through third party distributors.
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Seeing as how we are debating accounting methods, we will continue to disagree even though we are actually agreeing.
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I disagree, we will continue to agree about disagreeing.
