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@jumpin  i think the whole "doomed" thing was a joke, but as for the HDs, IMHO they are doing things to try to reinvigorate there consoles, motion tech, improving online, getting more 1st party games(Sony anyway). Where as Wii they are just kinda coasting along, just chilling. Focusing on 3DS

@Conegamer if I may be so bold i think Ninty consoles have and will always be seen as the family friendly console, it was like that in SNES days, when Sega tried to get all hip and cool with Genesis, I think Ninty SHOULD stick to that, look at N64 and GC two consoles where they tried to be more "mature" didnt help agaisnt Sony, but now they make WiiFamily type games and its Xmas. My point is family friendly is what Ninty is, as soon as they try to deny what they are they fail. Embrace the family friendliness leave that "mature" stuff to the HD guys and if Ninty fans dont like it, get an HD