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sapphi_snake said:
Killiana1a said:

Yes.

As much as I want to vote "no" with my trust in the judicial system of the United States, I just cannot escape the reality of all the emotions, hopes and dreams I will have for my unborn children. Likewise, working in Mental Health I know from my own 2 eyes that true rehabilitation where a person comes in afflicted with a malady of mental health issues rarely comes out of the process with the capability of being a productive, independent member of society.

There is a saying among old timers in the mental health system, "This is a job you try to work yourself out of, but you never will."

Meaning, we will see peaks and valleys with who we work with, yet they (the client) has a very low chance of becoming fully independent with no chance of receding back into the mental health system.

If a 10 year old or even 8 year old (I cut it off at age 6 because they are too damn young to understand the consequences of their actions) is adult enough to commit a serious crime, then they should be treated as an adult.

Rehabilitation is a failed theory buttressed by a bunch of idealistic, new age Baby Boomers running Criminology Departments in academia. I work in what they lecture about and may have interned in 20 to 40 years ago. I can count on one hand those who have been fully rehabilitated back into society. They are wrong and I am right.

Was your whole post meant to be sarcastic?

No, serious. I have these discussions with people too often. I am sick and tired of college kids reciting something that some lifelong denizen of an ivory tower wrote. Having a text book for a course does not make one an expert.

If you want to get at the truth of what are the successful rates of rehabilitation then the best people to talk to are prison guards, mental health professionals, and those working in mental health like me. We are the practicioners putting your professor's hair of the whim theories to work to see if they work. Most of the time they don't.

Our job is rehabilitation and frankly, we don't see enough it to justify some professor's pet theory based on their delusional belief that criminals are victims of their past.

Life is about choices, rich or poor, if you make bad choices then society will push back and you will pay the price. You have no one to blame but yourself. Sure Johnny Jones living up the street with the more expensive toys may have been dealt a better hand at life, but you like Johnny Jones received an equivalent public schooling education and had the same opportunity to pursue higher educational opportunities to better yourself. 

The only thing a criminal is a victim of is their bad choices.