Should People Take Justice Into Their Own Hands (partocular case)

[sapphi_snake]

rocketpig said:

sapphi_snake said:

They did something terrible. It can certainly be labaled an "atrocity"They don't deserve a second chance, and no one who does what they did deserve a second chance. They weren't children, they were monsters. Their existence isn't encessary in society, quite the contrary. So locking them up in sokitary confinement isn't a problem.

I'm pretty sure you think pampering criminals and spitting in the face of their victims and in the face of law abiding citizens, will definately fix things. I mean just look at how well that worked out: one of them has physically assaulted several people sicne he's gotten out, and has been caught with child pornography on his PC. And who knows what the other one has done, but has managed to cover up (he was the smart, cold and calculated one of the two, so he probably does his best to not get caught).

Maybe you'll wake up one day, though I think you'll have to learn a lesson the hard way.

Yes, I'm the one who needs to wake up. Obviously, this was a failure on the part of the state... or maybe you missed my point that it's pretty obvious those kids needed better psychological evaluations before being released into public. I'm not even against stricter punishment than what they received (especially when coupled with their obvious lack of quality psychiatric care during imprisonment). What I AM against is locking them up and throwing away the key without ANY attempts to understand WHY they did what they did and what environment led them to such an act.

It's very possible that they were just sociopaths without any kind of empathy or regard to human life, in which case they should be in a secure mental institution for the rest of their lives, not prison. Either way, they shouldn't be released back into public. On the other hand, they could have been abused badly as children and there could be hope of rehabilitation there and someday, they could become a productive member of society. I don't know the situation and you don't, either. The difference between us is that I think it's the state's job to find out and you think it's okay to either lock them away or just kill them outright without trying to find out WHY this happened. Progress is made through attempts to understand why things happen and how to prevent them in the future, not by playing the role of ostrich and hiding away all the bad things in life.

Then again, after reading your bizarre arguments on gun ownership, I'm not quite sure you have that solid a grasp on reality and feed off emotional responses and knee-jerk reactions to complicated situations.

THe probelm is, that while it is important to understand why they did it, that shouldn't affect at all the fact that they need to be punished. If they're insane they should be locked up in mental institutions, if they're not they should be locked up in prison.

Any abuse they may have suffered at home doesn't justify what they did. That's just one more attept to take away blame from the criminals. They commited that atrocity because they wanted to. No one forced them, no excuses.

And what's weird with my arguments regarding gun ownership? Gun ownership laws in most of Europe are based off of them. Don't know how things are in Turkmenistan where you live.