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[Alby_da_Wolf]

NotStan said:

Alby_da_Wolf said:

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I never generalized, don't put words in my mouth, if you read my first post about this issue, I never wrote "MS fans" but just the minority of trolls and astroturfers, accusing of the most hypocritical behaviour just "two or free" of them. I can't deny that I believe some fans unaware of it can fall for astroturfing and become a piloted mob (but even so most of them won't go as far as behaving in any bad way), but I wasn't targetting them, instead I meant to expose these methods also to their benefit.

And the hypocrisy bit was specifically about some clever astroturfers shutting up some totally innocent Sony fans that complained about more or less stealthy trolling and telling them with a quite patronizing tone they had not to play the victim (so those astroturfers were the ones actually generalizing there).

OTOH I directly addressed only astroturfers and trolls, I never attacked normal MS fans and never told them they must shut up due to trolls' and astroturfers' behaviour they are actually innocent of. Again, don't put words in my mouth.

Well that explains it then, started off with a misunderstanding. Just dont forget every camp has their own set of douchebags, in this instance it may have been from the MS camp, but there are plenty of instances where people from other camps are stealth trolling etc and get away with it, without comments such as yours. I now expect you to bring up this political example every time someone is stealth trolling, just not to show any bias!

Absolutely, but to avoid leaving anything unsolved, finally, about the number of trolls issue, just think about statistics: if trolls and astroturfers are roughly the same percent in every camp, it's mathematical that the largest crowd will contain the largest number of them.

And obviously that MS ones are more skilled is my opinion, but I tend to see Sony ones either more directly aggressive or just more boastful. And I just don't understand Sony fans, be them either trolls or fair ones attacking or trolling Kinect, IMVHO its main target is Nintendo, and particularly Balance Board, and it actually hit the latter quite hard.

About bringing up this example against any stealth troll, I'm not unbiased and despite not being really a Sony or Nintendo fan, I tend to defend them more than MS (but I also like mild jokish trolling against Ninty, and particularly Mario ), but I'm sure stealth trolls against MS will find adequate forces to fend them off. Also, my original post was caused by a particular behaviour, someone shutting up innocent Sony fans, holding against them the troll minority's offences. My rant was only against them, while more blatant trolling, also against Sony, almost doesn't offend me, sometimes I even find it amusing, just like I enjoy most Pachter threads.