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pizzahut451 on 23 January 2011
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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

@voty2000:

And no, the men who died in WWI did not die with honor. It was a pointless war. Political leaders playing games on the expense of the idiots who they governed. There were no "good guys" and "bad guys" in that war. EVERYONE was a "bad guy" then. But when it was all over the winners (allies) decided to take the frustration caused by their own stupidity by blaming it all on the losers (the Central powers, most fo all Germany), and with things like the Versailles Treaty created the climate in Germany that helped Hitler and the Nazis come to power.


Actually, Austro-Hungarians were the bad guys. They started the war when they attacked Serbia, who tried everything to prevent the war

That's if you ignore the political climate at the time, and the fact that everybody wanted a big war to start, and they were just waiting for a pretext. As I said, there were no bad guys in that war.

Doesnt chnage the fact they were the bad guys in Austrian-Serbian conflict.

Well they were as bad as the US is in their war on terror. After all, Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia after a Serbian terrorist killed the heir to the throne and his wife. Plus, the conflict would've escalated anyway, due to the tension between the 2 countries. They were all waiting for a pretext to start fighting.


1st.he wasn't a terrorist. He was an assasin from ''Black Hand'' a group of Bosnian Serbs (Bosnia had majority of serbian people back than) who wanted to seperate from Austor-Hungarian Bosnia and join to Serbia.

2.Serbia had absolutely nothing to do with the assasination. They even warned Archduke Franz Ferdinand of possible assasination attempts.

3.When Austria gave Serbia an ultimatum, Serbia accepted evrry single condition except one, which would allow Austrian soldeirs to be in charge of Serbia, to do whatever they want in another contry,without any consequences. That condidion was equal to invasion, and no country could have ever accepted it. Most of leaders in Vienna even said that ''great diplomatic succsess was achived and there is no need for war'' But Austrial decleard war anyway, mostly because of pressure coming from Germany but also because of  their desire to destroy Kingdom of Serbia and influence of Serbs in Bosnia.

While i agree that WW1 was led mostly due to nationalisam, imperialisam, militarism,in-tolerance and alliances, Austrian-Serbian conflict isnt the case.