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bobbert on 19 January 2011
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DKHustlin said:
freebs2 said:
bobbert said:

I think some of this might have to do with getting games approved for a disc. On wii, it is much easier to get your game approved by Nintendo for disc pressing than Sony and MS. I'm pretty sure the HD systems have requirements on the size of the game, and if it doesn't hit a certain size it becomes DLC.


New Super Mario, Kirby's Epic Yarn, DKC Returns; they are all great games, but can't be more than a couple hundred MB of data. They just re-use so many objects and the graphics are only marginally better than similar games which fit on a DS cart. In order for a 2D platformer to be non-DLC it has to be something as amazing as LBP or LBP2.

I don't really want to get into the 'casual' argument, but $50 or $60 for a 2D platformer is too much IMO for those Wii games when I can get Halo, COD, Fallout, etc. games for the same price. You have to know that way less development time went into those 2D games. Keep all those games as DLC unless it's something phenomenal (LBP) or aimed towards kids and discounted (Kung Fu Panda).

You clearly don't know how DS capability and  how DKCR graphical quality is.

Saying that you're implicity assuming that platform is an unworthy genre...I finished Fallout 3 in about 15 hours and never played it again for 60$, atm I'm playing DKCR which I bought for 50$, I've played it for 20 hours and still I'm about at half of the game, it seems like a much better deal to me.

As for develepment costs,I care about how good the final product is, not about how much they spent to make it. That's a developer's problem, not mine. If they don't think their product is appealing enough without tons of graphical development cash-burning is their problem. Also DKCR and SMG2 took 2.5 and 2 years to be developed, not different from many hi-quality HD games.

Last thing, if you consider LBP as a creative tool it's great, but if you consider it a platformer it's embarassing.

 

 

 

i agree with everything freebs said

also, wii platformers are "50 - 60" they are 50 flat, wii games dont price like HD games do unless they have a pack-in. also, "being phenomenal" isn't some sort of concrete goal. you think LBP is phenomenal, while others think DKCR, SMG, or KEY are phenomenal. regardless, the sales of all the platformers mentioned show that wii rules the genre.


X360/PS3 games are $60, that's why I say $50-60. On wii, they're 50, on HD systems, they're 60.

The XBL marketplace for indie games has different pricing based on the size of the game. If it's less than $50, you can charge 80MSP, otherwise you have to charge at least 240MSP.

I'm glad you spent 20 hours on DKC:R, some people have spent more than 100 hours playing Farmville, and that's free. Much better ROI than Oblivion, I can't believe I bought that piece of junk...

I'm just saying, we don't know if Wii rules the genre, because so few (almost none) platformers are released on the HD systems on a Disc. If the game was 500MB, then it would be released as DLC whereas the Wii doesn't even have the choice because it would overfill the on-board memory. Limbo sold 300k copies in its first month, without having to press & ship DVDs. LBP was mentioned in the OP as a multi-million seller. Face it, MS and Sony would never allow NSMB, DKC:R, or Kirby on a Disc and it would be DLC. Less profitable = less marketing = less sales. I'm glad you like Nintendo charging you full price for something that woudl be $15 on XBLM, and apparently a lot of people are willing to pay that price.

What you're basically saying is, because of Mario, DKC, and Kirby, the wii dominates platformers and the HD consoles don't stand a chance. IMO, any Mario, DK, or Kirby game will sell millions because of nostalgia, 2D or 3D. As far as New/Other IP goes, check the posts above for sales and you'll see that there's nothing proving the Wii outperforms sales-wise. For me the problem is 1) ability to get the game on a Disc at full price, as LBP is the only one on the HD systems that comes to mind and 2) advertising for the game, which will only happen if the game gets on a Disc.