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pizzahut451 on 06 January 2011
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Kantor said:
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It should be a duty for men and voluntary for women IMO.

And its not about serving your government but serving your country.

Why should it be a duty for men? What has a "country" done for men (not that a country can do anything), which it hasn't done for women?

If it were up to me, I'd pull out of Afghanistan tomorrow.


I never said women should be in the army at all.I said it shouldn't be a duty for them. And I'd like to see your country invaded and than you posting a bolded sentence like that.

My country never will be invaded. And if it were to be invaded, half the population would leave and the other half would embrace the new rulers, most likely. The government would be the first to join the latter group.

As for women, what do you suppose their duty should be? Cooking for the army? Come on. Everyone in a country has the same duties; that's the very basis of equality. I think that if women expect equal rights to men, they should take equal actions, so if (atheist God forbid) there were a draft, it should be for both genders.


First of all, never say never :) 2nd I find that extremly hard to believe. english are probably the only people in the west who are still proud of their history and country and are not ashamed to  to say that out loud.Maybe a cowards would escape but there is no way that if England gets invaded, people would embrace the new rulers (invadores). I find that very hard to believe.

 

Look, all im saying that women shouldnt be forced to go in the army for the same reasons children shouldnt be forced. An averige woman isnt build for military, nor does she have much knowledge on it. You wouldnt hire a man to be on front page of Playboy magazine for a same reason you shouldnt force women to serve the army.

The only people who are proud of our country, vote BNP - which is to say, they're bigoted morons. And even anyone who is proud of certain British leaders (including myself) like Margaret Thatcher, Winston Churchill, Clement Attlee, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I and Victoria, acknowledges that it's been a while since we had anyone that good, and it's unlikely that we'll see anyone that good for quite a while. It's certainly not David "Look how progressive I am" Cameron, Nick "Screw my voters, I have coalition" Clegg or Ed "I swear I'm not a Communist!" Miliband. Maybe Nigel Farage, but he'll never be elected, because he leads a "minor party".

/rant

w...what? all i was saying that English wont just accept their new leader/invader just like that. What kind of people would they be if they did that? If your family is in danger, wouldnt you wanna protect it?

Firstly, there are magazines with near-naked men on the front cover, so your analogy falls flat.

And i was talking about Playboy magazine only, so dont try to spin anything.

Secondly, what is difficult about holding a gun and firing it? Yes, they can be heavy. But isn't that a problem for weaker men, and not a problem for stronger women? I'm sure the women serving in the armed forces are much stronger physically than I am. Again, I don't think anybody should be drafted. I just think that if there had to be a draft, it should include all adults.

Wow, you're serious? You should turn off that Call of Duty, and try Remington 870, AK-47(full automatic), M2 Browing machine gun,Twin M2HB, and see how easy it is to fire, much less hit. Of course, with enough training everyone can fire them, it will only be much harder for women to learn.Men will alwyas have the advantage because of their bigger physical strenght. A FACT A war was alwyas something man participated in, why should that chnage now? Even today in most (all?)  armies, men are big majority.

Why not children? Because children are innocent, and their minds are developing. They don't need to see that kind of thing, or be taught that killing is the right way to solve all of your problems. Also, children actually are too weak to use a gun. Adult women aren't.

Oh, oh but in Africa they send women and children to war and look how well they managed to defend themselfes against European colonists. if they had less women and children in their army, maybe they wouldnt be forced to salvery.