Im really getting sick of the half-ars politics in the USA

[ssj12]

HappySqurriel said:

ssj12 said:

Kasz216 said:

optoma1990 said:

My biggest moan is when a government try to push through legislation when most of the elected people are away on holiday. What is democratic about that when it is pushed through knowing when not everybody can vote it out because they aren't there? Democracy my ass!

It's not so much eveyrones is away on holiday as it is the new people aren't seated.

Essentially the Democrats have done more, in the few months AFTER they found out America was sick of them, then they did the rest of the time.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the Lame Duck session nothing would probably get done, because everyones off campaigning at the end of their term. 

well, thats pretty much what happens everytime no matter which side is in power. America is sick of the GOP, they get their asses moving, sadly when the GOP gets their acts moving and have create quick legislation they fail to read the fine print so we get crap like the Patriot Act and the DHS. And we also for some reason give tax cuts to multimillionares that do not buy consumer level TVs,  boats, cars, etc and state that the purchase of a yacht somehow gives a middle class citizen a job at McDonalds.

I'd almost say maybe the Democrats actually read part of the bills they pass?

That's a remarkably partisan perspective ...

Many Democrats supported the patriot act, and some (including the current Vice President) repeatedly tried to pass similar legislation over the years. On top of this, the Democrats were so opposed to the Patriot Act that when they had the power to repeal it they didn't even try.

Beyond that, one of the core criticisms of the Democrats over the past 2 years was that they were not reading legislation before they voted on it; and Nancy Pelosi even went as far as to say that they had to pass the health care bill in order to find out what was in it.

 

This isn't to say that the Republicans are good, they certainly are not; but anyone who believes that one party is out to screw them and the other isn't is completely out to lunch.

 

 

Finally, on the tax cut issue ...

The vast majority of the (so called) rich people who are impacted by these tax cuts are small business owners and independent contractors. While these people will use their money to provide a decent lifestyle for themselves, they tend to re-invest their "excess" income; either in their business (buying equipment or hiring employees) or in other businesses (through stocks, bonds or venture capital). The kinds of people who buy yachts tend to be the super rich, who tend not to earn income because they make their money through capital gains. Even then, the production of high end luxury products like yachts and private jets still employs a lot of high skilled labour who earn high wages.

Trust me, I am far from one sided in terms of which party if you didnt read my opening post which targets both sides.

I do agree with your rebuttal. Both sides dont read legislation. Which is why I support the "Read the Bills" act which people are trying to push. It would slow down congress and get things done correctly.

On the tax cut part, your right, the upper crush of small business do reinvest and grow their businesses. The thing is, even those people really aren't the top 2% which should be taxed like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. But, the yacht part does provide skilled labor positions, but none skilled or limited skilled labor jobs. These positions are Walmart, Target, McDonalds, etc. These positions are needed for people to work while becoming skilled laborers. Many people from Rush to Beck to Bush argue that somehow skilled labor work leads to no labor or limited labor skill work. There are loopholes that satisfy that argument (construction), but a yacht seller to builder normally doesn't have effect on walmart or mcdonalds.