Metallicube said:
themanwithnoname said:
Metallicube said:
themanwithnoname said:
Metallicube said:
themanwithnoname said:
My favorite is that Metallicube keeps insisting it's Halo/Call of Duty/Slim that're why the 360 keeps selling so well. Of course, if you point out that Kinect Sports, an unbundled game, outsold Halo this week, he will promptly ignore your post, as he did mine in the Americas thread. Rather comical, but I expect nothing when it comes to trying to logically debate anybody on this site. 
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So you honestly think the mega hits Black Ops and Halo are not moving the majority of those consoles? 360 sales skyrocketed long before Kinect, and the reason was the much bigger value slim model and the mega hits I just mentioned.
I promise you most people are not spending $300 for a motion camera and Kinect Adventures.
You Kinect peoples are gonna be in for a rude wake up call come early next year me thinks..
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Why would two games, one of which has had five prequels release on the console, and the other of which is selling just below Kinect Sports be the only reason sales or so high? For someone who's so preachy about software, you consistently have ignored Kinect Sports still selling more than Halo did this week to the point where it becomes almost pointless to debate you because you have nothing to refute facts with and ignore them whenever you see fit.
But hey, I'll take a stab at this one more time...
If Halo is having such a profound effect on 360 sales right now, why isn't the same true for Kinect Sports (an unbundled game), which sold more this week?
It's a pretty straight forward question, and one I'd like you to answer without some baseless promise premised on the fact that you can't comprehend that Kinect might be driving console sales.
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Um, could it be because Kinect Sports is 6 weeks old while Halo Reach is over twice that? And STILL Halo is close to Kinect Sports. Black Ops has sold 8.5 million copies. Halo Reach has sold near 7 million. With those kinds of sales numbers, being a massive hardware mover is essentially a given. A game that sell 5 1/2 million during its first week alone WILL move consoles by default, lots of them. I don't see how that is hard to understand.
I find it funny that the games ACTUALLY responsible for the surge in 360 sales get no credit from these supposed deticated 360 fans..
I guarantee you that Kinect Sports is not moving most of those 360s. Do you think many people would be willing to shell out $300 for Kinect Sports, when they can get play a game very similar on the Wii for much cheaper?
Obviously, I can't completely prove me point, just like you can't completely disprove it, but here's about as close as I can get to attempt that: If you recall, 360 sales boosted massively on the strength of the slim model, as well as Black Ops and Halo. Black Ops propelled 360 to 540,000 units from 375,000. On the week of Kinect, 360 sales boosted only to 375,000 from 223,000, and this was still nearing the holiday season. Even the release of Halo Reach brought 360 sales to 270,000 up from 161,000 the week before, and this was back in September, long before the holidays. Now lets look at last year at this exact same time for some perspective.. Last year the week of Dec. 12th, Xbox 360 sold 538,000, somewhat comparable sales to this year, and this was before the slim model.
Funny how fast people forget their history, especially when that history is only months old.. But I guess it's easy for people to forget things when it doesn't suit their purposes.
Remember, it is always always always GAMES that sell hardware, not peripherals. People are not running out and spending $300 to buy a motion camera peripheral, especially one that currently supports 15 games, most of which are rated below 70%.
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1.) What's Kinect Sports? Oh wait, it's a game. An unbundled game. It isn't hardware, it's a piece of software, and the fact that you can't accept this is laughable.
2.) Your point on how old Halo is is completely irrelevant. We are talking about sales right now, not sales 12 weeks ago. And the fact is that Kinect Sports is outselling Halo. I realize how hard it must be for you to comprehend how Kinect Sports can outsell Halo, but it has.
3.) Your point on games selling hardware is hilarious considering you ignore that Kinect Sports is a piece of software.
4.) I'm done debating you. You ignore every fact presented to you because you can't grasp how Kinect could possibly be successful and instead babble some nonsense about the site being full of viral marketers. It's pretty obvious at this point that you hate Kinect and will never be able to analyze it objectively, so I'm done wasting my time by taking anything you say on Kinect seriously.
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1.) Right.. I realize it's an unbundled game. Did I say it wasn't?
2.) You're right. We are talking about sales right now. And right now, Halo Reach has sold over 5 million. Kinect Sports has sold 775,000. Which do you thnk is more effective at moving hardware?
3.) Again, how did I ignore that it was software?
4.) Yes, I admit it. I truly CANNOT grasp how Kinect could be successful. I mean look at its games. Really, look at them. I cannot fathom how anyone can possibly support those games (especially these supposed hardcore gamers), yet many of these same people turn around and unfairly bash the Wii, which has titles like Mario Galaxy, NSMB, SSBB, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Zelda, Donkey Kong country, etc.. Just because I am biased doesn't make my arguments invalid.
But as I expected, the Kinect GAMES are not really selling, only the hardware, from the sheer noevelty. But eventually this will change, and the hardware sales will be brought down to the level of the software sales, unless some killer aps are released for it. It is ALWAYS games that moves hardware. Always.
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