What are the TRUE hardcore games?

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bbsin said:

Yea, Hardcore gamers typically go from game to game. Whether they have mass appeal like GTA or are unpopular like ICO. I view "hardcore games" and "hardcore gamers" differently. Hardcore gamers play as many as games as possible and usually have a big library of software along with multiple consoles, they are typically early adopters. Hardcore games are games that have a very steep learning curve and demands alot of patience and hours from the gamer.

That's pretty much it. I would add hardcore games usually only appeal to a gamers is love that type of game. For example Supreme Commander