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Armads said:
tolu619 said:

And the voices, my brother's and another guy's, coincidentally came on the night my brother spoke with Jesus in his dream. Come on, what are the chances?

 

Actually quite good statistically speaking.  There are roughly 7 billion people on the planet, the largest religions being christianity and islam (closely followed by secularism) combined with the fact that dreams are based off of memories to an extent means they will be based off of what you know.  If you're a christian you'll dream of jesus or god, islamic you'll dream of mohommad or god because these things are in your memories.  If you've gone to mass every sunday of your life and are 18 years old that means you've been there 1,008 times, if jesus was mentioned only 5 times per mass that would be 5,040 times you've heard the word jesus.  And that figure is only from mass, not to mention when you hear it in every day life.  Also it's a conservative average of times they say the word jesus or invoke his image or words.  Now I want you to go to youtube and watch the Over 9000!! meme aout 5,000 times and tell me it never pops up in your dreams.

Now tell me that 3 billion people do it and none of them dream the same thing.

 

Also your prophecy isn't proof of anything, you know how many people have seen a bird and a tower?  That kind of imagery is so vague,  if the chances that you would dream something like that right before 9/11 were only 1 in a million then there should still be 7,000 people in the world who had the same dream the same night.

I wan't the one who said he saw the 9/11 thing beforehand. It was someone else on this thread. All of mine have to do with my personal life, nothing worldwide.

 

I mean your spirit living on forever after

Accurately define a spirit.  What constitutes the spirit?  If it is consciousness then why would I believe it goes on after death?  If I believe in eternity why must I also believe that my consciousness is separate from my physical body and also eternal when there is no proof of such?

Man is a spirit that has a soul and lives in a body. God is a spirit, so are we.Your spirit is the real you. I'll admit I don't have a good way to explain it, but maybe that's because I can't explain a spiritual thing using natural descriptions.

If u don't, do u ever wonder 'What if they're right & there is a God? Will I spend eternity in hell?'.

No, just like you don't wonder if you'll spend eternity in Hades.

 

If I were in your shoes and I thought there was even an 0.001% chance that a God exists, I would do everything in my power to be absolutely sure bcuz an eternity in hell is not a risk I'm willing to take.

See you're not making your decisions based on sound logic but fear.  You just admitted it.  You're afraid of the possibility of being wrong so you doubt logic and indulge in superestition, this is the weakest argument you could make because it's an argument which relies on your personal need for belief rather then any empirical evidence for it.

Your argument is sound but that's not what I meant. It's not my major driving force. I'm just saying if I were an unbeliever and thought there was a chance there was a God, I won't risk not being sure. But you guys sound pretty sure.

I didn't assume that. I assumed the opposite. So I did some extensive research on many religions and found the truth by EXPERIENCE. Either that, or there are too many coincidences in my life. God tells us (I'm talking about me, my personal experiences & others of my faith as a group now) things that we couldn't have known otherwise and we find out that it's true. He heals what even medical science can't. 

If you want me to tell you specific instances in detail, I can. But either my life is full of amazing coincidences or I serve a living God.

 

Your life isn't full of amazing coincidences it's full of superstition.  If I told you that the number 12 was important, that it governed your life, you would look for it in everything.  Just as you do with your god.  I mean there are 12 inches in a foot, 12 months in a year, your nameequals 12 when you add it all up T=20 O=15 L=12 u=21, 20 15 12 21 6 1 9=84

8 4=12

I didn't even do the math until after I picked the number 12 even.  If you want to believe something bad enough you'll find ways to convince yourself.  God spoke to me! God helped me win that baseball game!  God saved me from the car crash! but there is no logical reason to believe any of this.

I have seen superstition and it is totally different from belief. Now it's possible for one to believe wrongly based on wrong facts(the earth is flat because the ground is) but superstition isn't even based on false facts. It's amost based on nothing!


Anyone who sincerely looks for the truth will find it. God promised that. But if you don't sincerely look for the truth, if you just half heartedly conclude things based on science and whatever else you drew your conclusions from, you may not find the truth.

I still believe you will find God if you search for Him with an open mind. But right now, your mind is convinced that he can't possible exist.



You make those final comments with a condescending tone.  You seem to feel that you know more about belief than anyone who is an atheist.  To you if they did any spiritual searching they would find god because you've convinced yourself he exists and will not take any view other then that no matter what.  Your criticisms speak of yourself and as evidence in defiance of your ill-conceived conclusion I present my own life.  Raised a Roman Catholic, studied buddhism in high school and continue to practice meditation, researched glossolalia in college and induced it in myself (it's been scientifically shown to be a learned trait and no miracle at all) and yet have no belief in God.  God didn't see fit to convince me when I was a child being indoctrinated in to catholicism by my parents, he didn't seek to convince me when I explored other cultures (including some south american shamanism) he didn't see fit to convince me with pentecostalism, nor with episcopalianism , nor baptism.  This god even kept The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins from burning in a house that burnt down and allowed me to find it and read it.  I'd say he's done a pretty good job at convincing us otherwise if he does exist.


     Honestly, I wasn't trying to be condescending. OK, so God didn't convinve you that he existed. But where your studies aimed at finding him, or disproving his existence, or just unenthusiastic?



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