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Michael-5 said:

Many of the points are mine as this thread is still fresh, but I hope for that to change in a day or two.

I also said many of these points are likely to cause little to no effect at all in total sales. This is a subjective list, merely designed to point out the reasons for the hype and concerns for the game.

Also thank you for at least stating that you agree with all the pros.

1. I agree, but some people may have moved on. A lot or a little, some people may have moved on.

2. Speculations, and it won't get the marketing say Halo got (it's release date was known months prior, and it was marketed extensivly)

3. I agree, but it's still a valid point. FPS's have the spotlight this generation, where in the PS2 era it was sandbox/racing, and before that it was Platformer, RPG, racing.

4. Hm... what's your take on damage modeling?

5. This one I debated putting on. I only wanted to show compeditor Sims have more. I wanted 1 pro to be most cars, 1 con to be less tracks then Forza, but I'm not sure how good this point is. Maybe I should add it to another larger point.

6. Still a valid con, but you don't have to agree, this is just a list of potential pros/cons.

Good post btw

Yeah your OP is nice too....you've said things in a way so that people won't get riled up for no reason. Your trying to have a proper discussion, which is good!!

1. Yeah some may have...but who knows how big they are. And also GT5 may bring in new people to the franchise...could the people leaving and people coming in be "balanced"....its a hard thing to say right now, but I guess its a valid potential con you have there.

2. True it won't get Halo marketing.....but this last minute "delay" and then tons of GT5 release date rumor's that are on loads of gaming media websites has led to a massive exposure of GT5....people who may not know about it are seeing it in headlines all over the place. Who knows, maybe the delay raised awareness. Now its up to SONY to market it effectively.

3. Yup FPS's have had the spotlight. But these established franchises are still doing fine....GT is one of them.

4. I don't think having just cosmetic damage is going to be a major con or a deal breaker. PRevious GT games also had that con....but times are changing, some gamers may not like that.

5. True it is less than forza...and I would prefer to have more tracks than cars BUT its still 70....which is a lot. Its like comparing 2 boys, one who got 99/100....the other who got 95/100. Ok one did better....but the other one has done extremely well too.

6. It is a valid con in Japan.

But for the rest of the world I can't see GT5:P sales being anything other than a "pro"....its shipped around 5 Million worldwide....a massive figure for a demo.

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Another "pro" I would add in is that last generation Gran Turismo 3 was the best selling exclusive title on a console........so we can see the brand has very big power and a lot of it may be transferred to this gen.

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