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Hynad on 07 November 2010
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richardhutnik said:
Hynad said:
richardhutnik said:
Smidlee said:

Speaking of board games ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrBauG5FhZA&feature=player_embedded

:)

That is the second attempt to do the computer game as a boardgame actually.  The first one was done by Eagle Games and got VERY mixed reviews.  It had issues and didn't work right.  However, you do see some of those elements in that attempt to Civilization: Revolution.  On another note, there IS another boardgame called "Civilization" which was a boardgame first.  It is a classic.  Usually will take a full day to play though.


Notice how they mention that they scaled down the thing to "an evening experience".  Something that is usually a key part of Board and Parlour games.  Obviously, there are people who will go hardcore and play much bigger scale games, like Warhammer 40K or something similar.  But they're the obvious exceptions, not the rules.  Now just like the Wii is more centered around small and casual gameplay sessions, there are still hardcore games made for it (mostly by Nintendo themselves).   When you consider the game library of the Wii, it's really not difficult to understand where the kind of claims that Cage made are coming from.

Truth hurts indeed.  But you take offence over nothing and blow it all out of proportion, like you're overly insecure.

Have you ever played a Euro style boardgame?  Being able to finish a game up in an evening is not an indicator of how "hardcore" it is.  You can do a bunch of strategic depth in less time.  In the boardgame area, a big issue is that empire building games usually take too long to be playable.  A game like 7 Ages will take says to play.  So, what is going on here,  is to come up with something more manageable.  In the case of Fantasy Flight, they have Twilight Imperium, which goes on hours also.  The original Civilization boardgame also went all day affair, if not longer.  In regards to grand strategy wargames, those can be week long monsters.    It just means longer, not necessarily less strategy or depth.  A game like chess can be played in less time, or even Go, and finish up in an evening, but still can require hardcore skill to play well.  Even Blitz chess fits this.

Yes, there are exceptions as I said.  What is important here though, is that Cage didn't mean those when he referrenced "nice parlour games" (no, he didn't specifically mention board games, as some of you want to stubbornly believe.). 

What he ment was that the Wii is more of a casual experience overall, by its features and game library compared to the PS3, which has a game library much more centered around "hardcore" games (or more traditional videogames, if you prefer, compared to the Wii's more casual approach [let's be honest here]) and does a lot more than just play games compared to the Wii.  I don't think his stance was really difficult to understand at all and he doesn't appear to be bashing the Wii at all.  But of course, understanding French makes it a lot easier to get what he meant.  The translation you got there is just going for the sensational, taking his claim out of context, without his intonation of facial expressions, and of course, it left all the praise he sent to Nintendo before and after that part in the process.

But again, some of you are also just overly sensitive.