Has the Playstation Move's apparent success made people go crazy?

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thismeintiel said:

Squilliam said:

Fumanchu said:

Squilliam said:

jneul said:

this site is going to be even more funny when everyone magically believes ms figures for kinect's shipments and automatically convert it in to definitive units sold without question, on the other hand sony are always lying and spinning their numbers and doing dirty things to make it look better like counting eyes and navi's and saying they are ramping up production(sarcasm).

seriously I think people should be warned at this rate as they are constantly going around in circles without actually proving that Sony is definitely lying about their figures and have lots of moves hiding away, this is pretty much the same argument people use against the ps3 earlier on this year despite shortages and look what happened, vgc had to adjust up ps3 because they didn't believe shortages, and they will have to do the same with move sales, sorry but they have under-estimated it by a huge amount

there that will be ban xxx for me lol

The way Microsoft and Sony count shipments is different and typically Microsofts is closer to the truth of what is happening at retail because Microsoft is a software company whos main shipments are extra installations but no physical hardware and Sony is well a consumer electronics company. You can believe that the Microsoft numbers are a tighter in comparison to vgchartz numbers.

I had just recently proposed a theory like this from reading several comments to this effect in the past, but it was just debunked as myth.  Now I see it pop up again straight away - I'm really confused.    

Its the way they work. When Microsoft 'ships' most of their products, an OEM just installs a copy into one extra machine or a tech does it in a large enterprise. They don't actually move product. Also when they did Windows 7 pre-orders they booked that already recieved monies to the quarter of release. So shipments for them tend to be more fulfilled orders which is why the PS3 / Xbox 360 shipment discrepency relative to each other exists.

This may affect how they report sales of their SW, but how does that affect how they report sales of the 360, a tangible object?  They both (at least I know for Sony) are reporting sales to retailers.  So how does MS's method of reporting HW sales to retailers make it more in line with what retailers/customers are buying?

This. What Squil writes is normally true for MS business, but it doesn't apply to HW, where its sales figures are not computed very differently from competitors . But some people don't realize it, that's what generates that particular preconception in MS favour. MS has an uncanny ability about this, not directly causing ambiguity, but letting it happen and work in its favour.