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steverhcp02 said:
Seece said:
Icyedge said:

Everyone agree that 2.5 million is sold to retailers. If 600K is sold to consumers that means retailers are stocking 3 times what they sold in the first month. Would be pretty bad business on retailers end...

Yeah but Ship can also mean warehouses, ect. It's not unusual for any devs to send a big batch out first.


Agreed, but we arent discussing a "big batch out first" we are talking about shipped figures 1.5 months after release with production ramp up still not meeting demand for the actual Move controller.

Again move is so very hard to track for obvious reasons. I simply find it comical people are ignoring all logic (sony upping production, pachters restatement, difficult periphs to find, backorders, price increases on amazon in multiple countries combined with the shipped figure) Yet even in the wake of this website having to adjust merely hardware numbers 400k people are so quick you cling to the tracking of probably the most difficult thing this websites ever had to track.

This does seem to be a case of stubborn denial that goes beyond what most reasonable people would accept as evidence Move is actually doing better than projected. And that's in comparison to both SCE projections based upon multiple increases in production, indicating it's been selling above expectation, as well as any fairly irrelevant Sony fan brigade predictions that Move would change everything. Personally, I don't recall reading many of those. 

And while nobody on here uses Pachter statements to support their arguments, some did when he initially assessed Move as "underperforming" and "300,000 units sold" until he released his reassessment that invalidated the original. Naturally that was ignored by those who selectively chose to initially use Pachter as "proof" that Move was a dud.

Anecdotal accounts on availability will vary from region to region. Not to mention some of those accounts will simply be completely fabricated by those trying to push their perspective.

But there's a current 2-4 week back order on standalone Move controllers through Amazon US and featured merchants are in fact price gouging anywhere from $65 to 85. That's a tell right there. The only featured merchant selling at MSRP is Target, currently "Temporarily out of stock."

Whether it's because consumers are buying multiple controllers or because more consumers are adopting, the facts are SCE is ramping up production and yet they are hard enough to find that there is currently money in the flipping/secondary market. Basic principles of supply and demand at work.