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You can bet your ass that I'll never pay for PSN Plus, I'll bet you my entire asset on that, and that's a lot of money! fuck if I wanted Hulu, I'd use Hulu on a computer! PS3 web broswer sucks lol. P2P or dedicated servers don't bother me one bit since my connection is godly 25/25 with crazy ping, I just know when something is a god damn rip off.

I'm not paying for PSN Plus either, I don't have a need for it.  I'm just saying I'd pay for Live (Which I refuse to right now) if they just charged for the cost of running their match making servers, cross game chat, and a small profit hike (Companies have to make money) and leave all that extra crap I don't need to another service, let's say Live Platinum.  As it is right now Live is a similar service to PSN Plus (Yes Live is better that's not what I'm trying to argue), it's just that Microsoft doesn't offer a core service like Sony does which is barebones online and that's my only argument against Live.  And even though technically Live is worth the money, I feel it is a ripoff too (I'm assuming that's what you meant with that last sentence unless you mean PSN ,  I actually don't know why you brought up PSN Plus though 0.o)

because walls of text is hard to read and easy to misunderstand, but yeah we are pretty much on the same page.

Yeah I realized after the fact that I could have bullet formed everything and it would have been a lot more legible.  Yes we are on the same page.