Belief in God produces Hell on Earth

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Joelcool7 said:

sapphi_snake said:

@Joelcool7:

No the two were not in the closet, I talked with them and both said that they experimented and realized they liked Anal, Among other things.

You're gay if you like men, not if you like anal. You don't have to be gay to like anal, as all men have prostates.

In the end its a choice that is made, just like I choose not to have sex before marriage, its a choice does that mean I wouldn't love sex? No it means I choose to abstain. Exact same goes for homosexuality its a choice no one is forcing a man to have sex with another man.

Sexual orientation refers to who you find attarctive, not who you have sex with, as after a couple of drink most people could end up sleeping with anyone.

I have since written letters to the mayor of Vancouver as well as police department. I said if I got enough straight people together could we go dance nude in the streets during a straight pride parade. I got a resounding "No" I would be punished to the full extent of the law. So why can I not go nude down the street but a group of gays can?

Well if you actually wrote "straight pride parade", then it's no wonder you got a negative response. That's no different than having a "white pride parade". Every day is staright pride day, silly!

Then my University got alot of complaints from gays that wanted their own change rooms and bathrooms. It actually came before the commity and was almost accepted. Luckily it wasn't actually made but it was pretty silly that gays get a special bathroom.

Hmmm ,gays wanted their own bathrooms? You'd think the straight guys would be happy about that one.

Gays in Canada have tons of rights, they are protected by law and are treated superior. I don't know about most of the US or some other countries but its really hard to sympathize with them when here in Canada they treat everyone else so poorly.

I find this so hard to believe. I'd definately like to her inpun from another Canadian on this one.

As for the man calling me a homophobe not for my faith but for my views on homosexuality! Thats utter bull crap he didn't know my stance on gay marriage nor did he care.

But was he wrong about your stance? You certainly did meet his expectations.

I have always been called a homophobe, in highschool people made fun of me all the time for being a Jesus Freak and Homophobe.

Hmmm, who exactly bullied you for being a homophobe?

Also yes my two gay friends did try to tell me I was gay. Infact alot of the gays at my school told me I was in the closet, so yes infact they did try to impose their sexuality on me and they did with several other people too.

Did they try to pass laws making it mandatory to be gay? Or were they just stupid high school gids who were gay and were hoping more people were gay, so they wouldn't feel "special" anymore?

I had a friend who went to one of the orgy parties he was straight going in but afterwards said he was Bi and in the future he even claimed to be gay for like a month, then back to Bi.

Sorry, I don't know a single straight guy who'd go to a bisexual orgy party. He was obviously at least curious if he went, so it's no wonder he realised he was bi.

You claim it should be the same with a pastor disagreing to marry a black or white couple. Fact is nowhere in the Bible does it say anything against marrying blacks or whites. That would be an opinion unfounded in religious beliefs. There for not protected by the religious rights act which should be adheared too.

Some religious beleifs are against current laws (like the commands in the Bible to stone people to death, or Islamic law which commands that thieves have their right hand cut off) and shouldn't take precedence over the Law. In the case of the pastor though, he should be able to marry whomever he wants.

I'm sick and tired of gays hitting on me and trying to convince me I'm gay.

Well women are constantly hit on by men, and most of the time aren't interested. You're seeing how they feel, so suck it up and tell the gays making unwanted advances to get lost.

I'm sick of being called a homophobe every time I have a different view.

When you have a view that's homophobic, how else would you like to be called?

I want to be able to believe as I wish without being insulted and attacked for my beliefs.

You can believe as you wish, but whatever beleifs you may hold (whether you're a homophobe or a homophile, religious person or against religion, Britney Spears fan or Britney Spears hater), there are always gonna be people who disagree with you. Now in this case you hold a belief that is comparative to what a racist beleivs, so you shouldn't be surprised that people are "attacking" you.

Well I don't consider myself a homophobe anymore then an adulteryphobe or a fornicationphobe. I simply disagree with the life descision, I do not fear or hate gay people. I have gay and Bi friends and love them all just as much as my other friends, I just don't believe in their descision. Like most if not all my friends have fornicated, I believe its wrong but we all sin so I don't hold it against anyone. However I do stick to my beliefs and I believe said actions are wrong.

I also went to city hall and was going to go to Vancouver to push for homosexual unions or as they call it common law marriage. I thought that gays deserved recognition as a couple. How ever the gays in my community didn't want just common law and unions they wanted to get married in churchs and in government buildings they wanted to impose their beliefs on pastors and civil servents. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman before God and so does the majority of faiths from Jews to Muslims. As such Marriage is a religious act. Did you know that Webster and the Government had to change the actual definition of marriage to accomodate gays who wanted to be married. Technically marriage was a union between a man and woman before God and state. But the homosexual movement actually forced them to change the meaning. That is why I disagree with gay marriage, I compromised and said yah they should have unions and be recognized but the gay movement doesn't compromise they either get what they want or keep pushing for what they want, they do what ever they have to.

As for gay washrooms they wanted Lesbian and Gay washrooms. Meaning two more rooms on almost every floor and two more locker rooms. The student body was against it because it was going to cost the University a ton of money and nobody could justify giving gays and lesbians all their own rooms. Though their was more support for the seperate locker rooms. But actually even some gays were against it as they said it would be like segregation but the majority wanted it. Luckily the school shot it down but its bad enough the idea was started to begin with.

As for another Canadian's position. I live near Vancouver known as sin city and the people in my area are very open with their sexuality. I know the laws here and I'm pretty sure their similiar else where in the country, but I don't know how popular homosexuality is in other parts of the country I know it isn't very popular in the praries but it seems to be pretty big in Ontario too. As for the laws themselves their are nude people running down the streets of Toronto during gay pride parades too, so it seems in Canada that gays are above the law they can go nude in public but no one else can. I heard a reason given a while ago that the gay pride parades bring in alot of tourism money and gay marriage does too hundreds of thousands of gay couples have come to Canada to get married and many move here, its quickly becoming less and less of a minority.

Who called me a homophobe, actually their were cliche's in my school. You had the gay click the bi click's the jocks the cheerleaders the goths....etc...etc I was made fun of by the gays who would always bug me about coming out of the closet and when ever I said no I'm not gay they would start pointing at me and yelling homophobe homophobe. But then again the jocks also called me a homophobe and the catholics who had their orgy parties. It was everywhere and when ever I had a different idea like when I got upset about the nudity at the gay pride parade I was picked on for months as a homophobe, a jock even pantsed me and made a comment on how I was also going nude luckily my boxers stayed on. It was extremely humiliating.

As for girls getting hit on, your right I'm sure that sucks, but girls have the choice in the end they usually aren't bullied for making a decision.

I don't consider myself a homophobe I consider myself straight. Just because I disagree with one issue (Gay marriage) doesn't mean I'm a homophobe. Just because I think its a sin does not make me a homophobe. If I was prejeduce every time I disagree with something well I couldn't really be anything because I have my own opinion and disagree and agree with alot of different things.

I don't agree with everything my church does, does that mean I'm anti-Christian. I agree with Micro Evolution but not Macro does that make me an evolutionist? I don't find most black girls attractive am I a racist? I disagree with the taxes from the Conservative government does that make me a Liberal?

If you stereo type everyone because of one or two opinions they make , thats just wrong. I'm no more a homophobe then you are an anti-Christ. You disagree with my theology but that doesn't make you anti-Christian does it? I dunno maybe you are but I can't jump to the conclusion you hate all Christians because you disagree with my beliefs.

Its wrong to label everyone a homophobe just because they have an opposing view!

What you are saying in regards to homosexuals due to your religious/personal beliefs can be interpreted as homophobia.

Homophobes advocate hate crimes and hostility towards the homosexual community. Hate crimes include attacking people on the grounds of race, religion, sexuality and gender. Homophobia and racism need to be stamped out of society.

Hate crimes create huge political issues within the community. Hate crimes need to be punished severely to ensure they never happen. Hate crimes create civil unrest, widespread protests and revenge attacks. 

Homophobes will even make themselves out to be a victim. So you are a "victim" it makes it ok for you to attack homosexuals based on your beliefs? Christians believe they are morally superior to homosexuals. Bigotry and narrow mindedness attached to Christianity come hand in hand. Religious ultra conservatives are well known for their labelling and stereotyping people based on their archaic religious belief systems. Homophobes just like racists are  ignorant/intolerant towards minority groups. 

I support gay marriages and same-sex marriages. Homosexuality is a normal lifestyle/minority group and they deserve equal rights as every other human being, To deny gay marriage is to be against human rights. I do not care about draconian/archaic religious belief systems. It is time religions get a modern overhaul and get up to date with the real world. 

Minority groups are  becoming more accepted as religion becomes irrelevant in liberal democracies. Minority groups still need to keep fighting for equality.