Belief in God produces Hell on Earth

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mrstickball said:

sapphi_snake said:

@gregory:

Our religion defines marriage as between a man and a woman and any sexual activity out of marriage is a sin.

And who cares how your religion defines anything, other than yourselves? Sorry, just because your religion doesn't allow same sex marriage doesn't mean you should push your beliefs on others by supporting laws that force others to follow what your religion dictates. And also, your beliefs about gays are no different than what the Klu Klux Klan believs about non-whites.

Not all Christians or religious support anti-gay legislation. Heck, there are 3-4 denomiations that have homosexual pastors and layity. So to pidgeonhole all religious people as having an anti-gay bias is a very uninformed opinion, and you are no worse than those to demean.

As for being homophobic (fear or contempt for gay or lesbians), I think he made it pretty clear that he doesn't feel either of those feelings towards them.

From his post it seems like he holds gays at great contempt. Read his post again. Not to mention that he has no respect for religious freedom.

People like to throw out these terms at mormons, and it really isn't fair.  While we don't support same sex marriage for the above reason, we are probably some of the most friendly and tolerant people there is. 

Really? Doesn't your religion say that it's better to be dead than to be gay? Don't you persecute homosexuals by supporting laws that treat them like freaks who have no place in society (and in the process pushing your religious mores on others)? Don't you people support "coversion" therapy, which is nothing more that medieval torture and brainwashing? You people disgust me!

Again, pidgeonholding 2 billion people because of the comments of a few thousand isn't the best way to make your case. I'm a fundementalist Christian, but support gay marriage, and would gladly vote for whatever legislation arises to support it. Yes, the majority are against it, but fewer are against it in a way tha they'd put laws to hurt them.

"Sorry, just because your religion doesn't allow same sex marriage doesn't mean you should push your beliefs on others by supporting laws that force others to follow what your religion dictates."

Why shouldn't I support my beliefs by voting for legislation that I agree with?  That would make my belief system pretty pointless if I spoke one way and acted another.  Why are you bashing my freedom to not support gay marriage?  You are being the oppressive one.  Because you think they should have the right?  You are entitled to have that belief.  That's what makes America great.  It was the majority of the vote of the state of California that was the difference.

"From his post it seems like he holds gays at great contempt. Read his post again. Not to mention that he has no respect for religious freedom."

What in my post led you to belive that I have contempt for gays?  They have every right to fight for their beliefs just as I do.  My belief that they should not be able to marry has nothing to do with bigotry or hate.  The Bible does state that Homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord.  He destroyed 2 cities with that being one of the main reasons.  God sets the "standards" you want to argue about.  My religion does not.  I don't know whether you believe in a God or not, but if you don't than everything I just said will mean nothing to you.  I just want you to at least know the facts.  Please do not put words in our mouths.