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Darth Tigris on 15 October 2010
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makingmusic476 said:
Darth Tigris said:
Carl2291 said:
Darth Tigris said:

Oh God, seriously already????!!!!

When seeing all of the components that make up the Move, I had a VERY bad feeling that we were going to see Sony reporting combined figures that honestly tell us NOTHING but make it seem as if the Move has a larger install base than it actually has.  And here. we.  are.

And now with no NPD public numbers, as someone mentioned already they start touting EU numbers that can't be substantiated.

Just when I started having more respect for the resurgence of the PS3, suddenly its 2006 again ...

Jesus Christ.

This is SCEE. NOT SCEA

Read the fucking thread.

Why the hell would Sony EUROPE be talking about AMERICA!?

Use your head. Stop trying to troll.


1. I'm not trolling.  I'm not a troll and my posting history should prove that, but whatever.

2. "The company expects to exceed its target of sales of 15 million PS3s in its fiscal year, aided by “strong demand” in Europe and North America, House said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Rome."

He's talking about America right there in the OP that was copied from the original Bloomberg story.  We know that the PS3 was down in September YoY from the tidbits of info released about the NPD numbers, so this strong demand that he refers to cannot be substantiated since these numbers aren't public anymore and Sony hasn't released them.

3. Is ANYTHING that I stated about the inability to accurately track sales of Move and the subsequent release of these HIGH numbers incorrect?

For the record to those asking, 2006 was the year that many Sony representatives are on record using numerous methods of dishonest FUD to stall the sales of their competitors and ultimately (at the time) had nothing to back it up with.  They've earned a lot in the last several years with the reduced price, improved gaming library and sales resurgence.  But fears of Move turning into more FUD seem to only be realized by unsubstantiated statements like these.


But we also know that the ps3 is up week on week vs last month's NPD and has outsold the Wii for the month for the first time since... last year?

And while SCEE may comment on worldwide SCE goals from time to time (in this case, a figure that's been tossed around for over six months now), when have they ever commented on another region's specific figures?

I think you're reading far too much into the fact that an SCEE head only discussed Move's sales for his own territory.  And even his figures for Europe weren't very exact - "somewhere in the region of 1.5 million units" - implying he may not be fully up-to-date on the totals.   It's quite different from basically saying "plans haven't changed".

And for all we know the interviewer specifically asked House about Sony's WW year end targets, which is why they were brought up in the first place.

You're trying to pull an awful lot from what isn't there.


1.  I have not read anywhere that the PS3 outsold the Wii in the US for the month of September, just that it was up WoW compared to August.  I did read that Michael Pachter said it sold 312,000, though.

2. The comments from the SCEE rep specifically mention Europe and North America (not Japan or any other region). That means he is specifically commenting on NA sales being a strong contributer to the 15 million number.  That's not me stretching anything.

3. Why do defenders of the 1.5 million number keep avoiding the elephant in the room?  It is IMPOSSIBLE to get an install base from that figure.  1st of all it most likely is a SHIPPED number and not SOLD to consumers.  2nd he didn't state what those figures represent (bundles? ps eye?  move and nav controllers?). And, most importantly, 3rd he can't state how many of these are individual move purchases.

Now I do agree that we don't know what the interviewer asked.  We can only go by the select quotes chosen for the article (which rarely give the whole picture).  But that's all we have so that's what my comments are based upon.  

For the record, I just want Sony to upfront about the numbers they report.  This approach attempts to give the impression that Move sold 1.5 million in its first month of release just in Europe.  I don't see how that's defensible unless you just want to see Sony 'win'.  I guarantee that publishers will look at that and not be fooled, especially when software sales are so much lower.