Best Modern President?

[Nirvana_Nut85]

Mr Khan said:

TheRealMafoo said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Raze said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Raze said:

None of the above. The last good president the US has had was Theodore Roosevelt. They've all been criminals since.

Actually the last great President was JFK. He had some good policies and defied the "privately global banking elite owned" federal reserve by taking their right to print money for the U.S and started printing the dollar from the National Treasury, he refused to go along with a false flag attack (Operation Northwoods) planned by the joint cheifs of staff, which would have caused the U.S to attack Cuba and he also played a fairly large role in the eventual Civil Rights Act.

You cant be sure how he would have turned out if he didnt take a bullet to the face. He could've gotten just as messed up. Plus the ties he had with very sordid people, never know where it could've led to. My choice still stands. =)

I have to disagree, there was a reason why he took a bullet to the face, because they thought he was going to be a puppet president (like Bush and Obama) and he ended up being quite the opposite. Now this in my belief was mainly due to his brother (RFK) who was his advisor, but had he not taken the bullet I bet you the Vietnam War would  have never happened as t is widely believe that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was itself a false flag that LBJ allowed to happen.

if Obama was shot and killed the month he became president, he would have gone down in history as the greatest who ever served.

That's the thing about people who get killed (JFK, Lincoln)... we always think from the point of view of optimism. JFK didn't have time to show how ineffective he would have actually been.

I like to think that Kennedy (and Khrushchev) are the reasons we're not all living in nuclear winter right now. If nothing else, that makes him worth it

Though i generally agree that the Kennedy worship is misplaced from him being killed before his time (but that happens outside the presidency a lot too. I entirely doubt that John Belushi would be remembered as fondly as he is if he hadn't destroyed himself), but Kennedy's problem was that he really came in with no mandate. The election of 1960, despite being one of the closest in American history, was really a pointless election (in the sense that it didn't pivot on any major issue, kinda like the election of 2000), and Kennedy entered the presidency much like W did, lacking a mandate.

@ Mafoo - If Obama was shot and killed anywhere from now to 2011, there would be mourning but people would still look back on his policies and see how much of a puppet he was instead of bringing real change.

JFK wouldn't have been ineffective, there's a reason he go killed. He did the opposite of what everyone thought he was going to do. He went against the tide, with of course the advice of RFK who was the mastermind behind him (He would have been a hell of a president had he not been killed). Also had Kennedy not been shot, the U.S most likely would have not been in the shambles it is today because he would have taken out the federal reserve which he was slowly doing (he had plans to abolish it). If you look at what he did in such a short time he really was the best modern President to date.

@ Raze - I agree with you on that one (no pivitol point) I have to disagree wit the worship part. People who actually research the things he did to go against the banking Elite and the power's that be respect him for what he tried to do in his short time as President.