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@Mr. Methrahla  call me when Nintendo makes an original title, those games you mentioned are IMO kinda bland.  Im all for Wii's local multi thing they got going on, it pisses me off that the HD devs threw Online in our face and hoped that no one would notice there was no local multi. ITs sad and lazy, I read in GI that one of the devs saying that to have local especially split screen is like asking the console to do twice the work and online is actually easier. Screw that dev, with his lazy crap, you've been doing it for years and you dont want to no more because its too hard??? get another job. Wii is on the other end with really bad online. Their was no excuse for the SSBB to be that bad online, why the hell was the game delayed??? MKW was the only one that got it right, but i dont like that game so it does nothing for me. NSMBWii could have had online. a level editor or something. I hope next gen we can have a console that gives us both