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Armads said:
pizzahut451 said:
Armads said:

I'm sorry but I had to stop watching once I heard  "Finally we will examine one of the most accurate and trusted historical records known to man: The Bible" because I started shooting milk from my nose from an outburst of laughter. 

pizzahut451 said:

Well, i dont believe God created Earth, i believe he created the universe, so im not a creatonist i guess. But i sure as hell dont believe in a a bullshit, retarded made up theory known as Big Bang

Why wouldn't you believe in the big bang?  It's supported by tons of evidence and it doesn't even necessarily conflict with the worldview of a god-created universe.  If there can be a god in your mind, that god can start the universe with a bang I'm sure.

Because everything cant come out of nothing. And by nothing, i really mean nothing. No time, no natural process of any kind, no life, no ANYTHING. Or are you assuming that God created the Big Bang which created the universe?

I don't assume a god at all personally.  But you say that existence could not have come out of nothing, but why should a god be able to? 

For there to be a god to create the universe one of two things must be true 1) God came into existence from nothing and created the universe or 2) God has always existed and created the universe

If you assume the argument of (1) then the argument is self defeated because one must ask what created god?   and what created that creator? and it's creators creator?  It goes on forever.  If in argument (1) you assign god the property of being able to spontaneously exist from nothing then the argument again is self defeating.  If you can assign that property of spontaneous existnece to a god why not the universe?

For the second argument (2) you must ask the same question, if one can assume god has always existed then why can one not assign the same property of eternal existence to the universe?  This is the position I hold, that the universe is eternal but has no creator.  The big bang is not the beginning of time (as any physicist will tell you, it's the beginning of our universe, not of all existence) but merely a point in time from which all previous events have no meaning.  Anything that happened before the big bang does not affect what happened after it, thus the beginning of our universe, our time. 


I support the 2nd argument. Look up for the link i posted where it explains why universe cant be eternal