sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Because everything cant come out of nothing. And by nothing, i really mean nothing. No time, no natural process of any kind, no life, no ANYTHING. Or are you assuming that God created the Big Bang which created the universe?
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Where did God come from again in your view?
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A God can not ''come from'' anything. However,that question goes far beyond my understanding as a mortal. But i think this quote from the article i posted is somehow related to that quesion:
The skeptic sometimes asks, "Well, then, who created God?" The answer is that no one created God, as he is eternal. A rule of logic states that every effect must have an antecedent cause. But God is not an effect; rather he is a cause. The logic here is simple but compelling. Since something exists, and since something cannot arise from nothing—and further that the universe itself is not eternal—something outside of the universe must be eternal. An infinite creator God must be that something. Time and space had a beginning, but God exists outside of time and space.
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That's the lamest argument ever. If we're going with assumptions (as the ideea that the deity you worship exists and the necessity for it to exist are mere assumptions), there's absolutely no reason why one couldn't assume that the deity you worship (God), wasn't created by another being. Also what's outside time and space?
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Actually I like this debate about the first cause.
But who says the first cause had to be a single one? What if 2 independent causes were in existence and then created everything else together? Two Gods ^_^
But what if there were 10 non-caused causes that together created the universe.
Awesome!
So how does that argument limit the amount of Gods to just one? Oh that's right it doesn't. It requires blind faith. Faith to even assume such a thing exists anyways.
