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Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

As it currently stands, being well-off has put me on a down for starting Uni. People who come from families on low income are entitled to an extra £2k maintenance loan per year. Yet, I am not. Basically, the Government seems to think that people with wealthy families will have the family pay for them, mine won't.

Both of my parents moved out at 18, worked shit jobs, scraped by, didn't ask for any help from state, family, or friends, climbed the ladder, and are now in the highest tax bracket. They don't believe in living off assistance, £2k is roughly what I'd get if I work a part time job for a year whilst at Uni, and so £2k is only entitled to me if I get a job, I can't get it off my parents (hell, I won't even ask), people from lower income families get £2k in their pocket (at a inflation-rate loan) without having to work for it, I don't.

Personally, I agree with my parents' point-of-view... I just find it highly ironic that in the current system, I'm worse off because my family are of a higher income.

Funding for undergraduate education in the UK is just one of the most flawed things ever. Period. None of it makes any sense and most of the solutions politicians propose just seem to be geared to making it worse. Like raising tuition fees for better Universities (one idea which has been banded around by many people), surely it should be the other way round.

And the level of inequality is just staggering. Like you my parents tax bracket eliminated me from having any support, and they weren't going to pay for housing and living costs, etc. So I worked during the first year,and in the summers before second and third year I worked every hour I could and saved. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for support with education, but the system just seems set up to hinder certain people.


The raising tuition at better unversities isn't student oriented.

It's school oriented in trying to

A) Keep up their prestige

B) give other schools incentives to improve.

 

Can you guys not get student loans at all because of your standing, or is it just you can't get free tuition assistance.

Do you guys even have free tuition assistance, with all the talk of loans it's been ominiously quiet about that.

I mean, I have friends that go to school, not even for anything in particular just because the government pays for them to go to school for free.

Quite honestly I could probably get the same arrangement.


Well, we have a scholarship program, you can get grants, rather than loans, if you have an exceptional talent in something. I personally don't know of anybody who has been awarded a scholarship, and it's typically only for a couple of thousand pounds, so it doesn't pay for Uni, just makes it more affordable.

We can get the most basic of loans. Basically, I have been loaned enough money to cover my tuition fees and my accommodation. However, if you belong to lower tax brackets you can get further loans like maintenance loans to cover food, text books, and Uni life in general. The idea being that if you're family are wealthy, they will provide for you... though, it doesn't always work that way.


How wierd.

We have the same "if your family is wealthy" problems... which is just what happens when you charge for college.

However, generally we have pretty good grants along with loans.  It's not like EVERYONE who's poor gets them, but lots of people do. 

Class wars for the way! Greedy Haves of society = cashed up aristocrats and business owners(Tories). Envious and Jealous Have Nots of society = peasants and serfs(Labour).